Challenger with Camaro chassis?

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Offline Spartan040

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Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« on: February 01, 2018 - 07:30:34 AM »
I've had another one of my complicated and expensive ideas that I think could be really cool. I looked up the dimensions for both the 1970 Challenger and the 2016 Camaro, and they're actually surprisingly close. Very close in wheelbase length and only 3" difference in length and height, 1" difference in width. Would it be remotely possible to put the Camaro chassis into the Challenger? I only ask because the modern Camaro handles extremely well, but I'm not sure if it would end up being better, worse, or not worth whatever advantage would be gained versus the aftermarket options already out there like the Hotchkiss TVS, or the AlterKtion and Street Lynx kits? If I did this would I have to switch to a gen 3 Hemi or could I manage to keep the big block?




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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018 - 09:25:44 AM »
I don’t see how this could be done with any sort of reasonable cost/time vs benefit relationship. There’s almost nothing in common overall dimensions like that mean very little in implementing a change like that.

Plenty of people race these classic cars and very good options exist.





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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018 - 11:16:33 AM »
Id have to agree with Goody on this. If you are looking to go "all in" and build something like a full frame E Body, look at these

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/mopar-e-body-cuda-challenger-chassis-full-frame/

https://www.artmorrison.com/maxg.php
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70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
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9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018 - 11:31:48 AM »
Id have to agree with Goody on this. If you are looking to go "all in" and build something like a full frame E Body, look at these

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/mopar-e-body-cuda-challenger-chassis-full-frame/

https://www.artmorrison.com/maxg.php


He's probably right and I kind of anticipated that, I was just curious about it. I've heard of the Schwartz and Art Morrison chassis before, how do they compare to some of the other aftermarket options? In terms of turn radius, ride quality, body roll, steering, etc.

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018 - 11:53:11 AM »
Unfortunately I can't really speak to your questions as I have never investigated them that much, however I did talk to the guy who built the Zrodz Cuda at SEMA 2 years ago and he was very impressed with the Art Morrison frame. They are just up the road from me and I have been there a number of times; they build very high quality stuff and much of it (if not all of it) is based on Corvette components (C5/C6). I dont know a lot about the Schwartz product but I have not heard anything negative.

All of this said, the main issue is that you would have to remove the entire floor out of an Ebody and then fabricate all of the mounting components while keeping the entire structure straight and level. In other words, not an effort to be taken lightly. I have no doubt it can be done, others have done it, but it seems like an extraordinary amount of work for what IMO isnt a lot of gain. I believe you can make an Ebody handle exceptionally well using currently available components from a variety of sources such as Firm Feel, Hotchkis, etc.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2018 - 03:11:50 PM »
Unfortunately I can't really speak to your questions as I have never investigated them that much, however I did talk to the guy who built the Zrodz Cuda at SEMA 2 years ago and he was very impressed with the Art Morrison frame. They are just up the road from me and I have been there a number of times; they build very high quality stuff and much of it (if not all of it) is based on Corvette components (C5/C6). I dont know a lot about the Schwartz product but I have not heard anything negative.

All of this said, the main issue is that you would have to remove the entire floor out of an Ebody and then fabricate all of the mounting components while keeping the entire structure straight and level. In other words, not an effort to be taken lightly. I have no doubt it can be done, others have done it, but it seems like an extraordinary amount of work for what IMO isnt a lot of gain. I believe you can make an Ebody handle exceptionally well using currently available components from a variety of sources such as Firm Feel, Hotchkis, etc.

Yeah, I started thinking about some of that as time went by today. Probably not worth any real benefit versus the cost in money and man hours.

I've looked at all the Hotchkis and Firm Feel stuff, it all looks good, I just wonder if one of those two aftermarket chassis are worth the extra cash versus the less expensive options. I think it may be cool to go with Hotchkis to keep it looking relatively stock, and apparently their TVS kits work wonders. I'd be combining that with a U.S. Car Tool level 3 chassis stiffening kit.

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2018 - 03:20:54 PM »
I'm curious what you all think: for the best cornering and wheel hook up for putting power down, do you prefer torsion bars and leaf springs or a multi-link rear like the Street Lynx?

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2018 - 04:20:52 PM »
I have done quite a lot of research on this subject when I was planning and begin building my Cuda. IMO torsion bar front is very adequate for 99% of use however I went with a triangulated 4 link rear. A coil over front end offers more adjustability but unless you are building a real race car it is probably moot. Keeping in mind that T bar cars were and are raced quite a lot as well.

In my case, my car is super rigid as I have a lot of bracing, full sub frame connectors, big T bars, big front sway bars, poly bushings, etc. I would say that for "putting power to the ground" specifically in the rear, a 4 link or perhaps a 3 link is most advantageous if you are running a solid rear axle (versus an independent rear). The problem here then becomes handling which is where a triangulated system or pan hard bars come in along with sway bars. Everything has its pros and cons, you need to determine what meets your needs. Obviously a leaf spring car can be made to work and work fairly well, however the "link" systems have proven themselves to be superior for handling but do have other issues (ride quality being one).
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018 - 10:25:00 PM »
I have done quite a lot of research on this subject when I was planning and begin building my Cuda. IMO torsion bar front is very adequate for 99% of use however I went with a triangulated 4 link rear. A coil over front end offers more adjustability but unless you are building a real race car it is probably moot. Keeping in mind that T bar cars were and are raced quite a lot as well.

In my case, my car is super rigid as I have a lot of bracing, full sub frame connectors, big T bars, big front sway bars, poly bushings, etc. I would say that for "putting power to the ground" specifically in the rear, a 4 link or perhaps a 3 link is most advantageous if you are running a solid rear axle (versus an independent rear). The problem here then becomes handling which is where a triangulated system or pan hard bars come in along with sway bars. Everything has its pros and cons, you need to determine what meets your needs. Obviously a leaf spring car can be made to work and work fairly well, however the "link" systems have proven themselves to be superior for handling but do have other issues (ride quality being one).

I appreciate the input.

Side note, couldn't help but notice your thumbnail. Were you Army SF?

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018 - 12:27:03 AM »
Yes I was, 1st SFG
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018 - 01:36:47 PM »
Yes I was, 1st SFG

Dang, that's impressive. Thanks for your service. I'm currently contracted in Air Force ROTC, commissioning in a year and a half.

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018 - 06:40:24 PM »
Thank you. I spent 26 years in, retired in 04. Congrats on your USAF efforts; I have worked with the AF quite extensively and lived on an a AF base as well (Kadena). My son is in the 82nd AB DIV currently.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2018 - 01:03:41 PM »
Thank you. I spent 26 years in, retired in 04. Congrats on your USAF efforts; I have worked with the AF quite extensively and lived on an a AF base as well (Kadena). My son is in the 82nd AB DIV currently.

That's pretty impressive, I guess you must have really enjoyed your time there! I'm hoping to be a pilot, if not then a combat systems officer.

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018 - 11:14:17 AM »
Yes I did enjoy my time there; I got to go to a lot of places and do a lot of cool things; probably the best time of my life. They have a pretty high bar to be a fighter pilot but I can definitely see the attraction. I worked a lot with the Special Operations Squadrons (SOS) and I have to say that if the fighter pilot thing doesnt work out, look at C130 and then try and get into one of the Spec Ops squadrons; while a MC130 isnt a fighter, it is pretty cool as well as a AC130.
Current Mopar
70 Challenger RT 440-6 EFI, 73 Cuda 416-6 EFI
05 Hemi Durango, 01 Ram 4x4, 14 Ram 2500 4X4, 10 PCP Challenger 6 spd RT, 01 Viper GTS ACR, 52 B3B w/330 Desoto Hemi, 70 Hemi RR (under const)
Past Mopars
9 x Challengers. AAR Cuda, 4 RR, 2 GTX, 4 Chargers, etc... (too many to list)

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Re: Challenger with Camaro chassis?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2018 - 12:04:38 PM »
Yes I did enjoy my time there; I got to go to a lot of places and do a lot of cool things; probably the best time of my life. They have a pretty high bar to be a fighter pilot but I can definitely see the attraction. I worked a lot with the Special Operations Squadrons (SOS) and I have to say that if the fighter pilot thing doesnt work out, look at C130 and then try and get into one of the Spec Ops squadrons; while a MC130 isnt a fighter, it is pretty cool as well as a AC130.

Yeah, I've always liked the C130, I wouldn't complain at all if they gave me one of those. Especially if it's in one of the SOS's.