carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?

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carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« on: July 14, 2005 - 05:31:38 PM »
Am replacing most everything on this engine and I plan to replace the Holley Street Avenger carb that came on the car when I bought it. Not sure if there was anything wrong with it, but I do know the car wasnt very good on gas. Anyhow, am trying to decide what to go back with and was considering one of the Road Demons or Road Demon Jr. Engine is a 340 bored .030 over, new MP stock cam, fresh rebuilt stock heads, etc. I am not a carburetor guy and I really just want a nice running, reliable driver that gets good gas mileage. I have heard the Holleys can be too complicated and have more adjustments than you need. I havent heard too much bad about the Demon - any Demon owners out there care to comment on their experience?

Chryco - i looked on the botom of the carb and didnt see a data tag, where exactly should I see that?               
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005 - 05:49:11 PM »
Actually, those Street Avengers are supposed to be good. The Holley is a pretty simple carb. too. Not much has changed in 30 years or so. I'm just wondering what kind of gas mileage you got, and what you expected.

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Edit: Factors like what gears you have in the rear, and how and where you drive  come in to play on gas mileage too.
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005 - 07:33:43 PM »
I only drove it a short time before I took it apart; I estimate less than 12mpg. 

I think I may have put 50miles (yes only 50 miles) since I received the car before I tore it down. During that time it was conservatively in stop and go traffic, keeping my foot out of it.  I believe the car has stock gears, 727 auto trans, the engine did have a pretty hot Crane cam.

I was hoping to end up with something around 15-17mpg. What CFM should be proper for the stock 340 motor?   
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005 - 10:10:52 PM »
All ive heard is that Edelbrocks seem  to be the user/street friendly carbs. Holleys/Demons are more tuneable/more power. More complicated, but is better for making power and ya gotta learn to tune em

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005 - 10:13:21 PM »
A Demon is just a "" tricked out ""  Holley.    :beer: 

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005 - 11:33:32 PM »
I have tried both an 750 demon and a 850 demon on my 440 and both work well right outa the box.... :beer:
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005 - 12:57:53 AM »
the Avenger is better than a road Demon , generally the Demons have even more adjustments than Holley carbs
 I would put a kit int he carb you have , clean it up & go with it , 340 needs 700-750 Cfm

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005 - 04:59:14 AM »
I havent ruled out going back with a Holley. I have new ceramic headers and didnt want to take a chance on smoking the finish while I was monkeying with adjustments. With my carb overhauled and the stock cam installed what gas mileage might I expect? 
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005 - 08:53:07 AM »
The list # for the carb is on the front of the choke neck
 I have seen as high as 20 + mpg from 440s , a 340 could get as much or more 

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2005 - 10:06:38 AM »
ahh...ok. I wanted to avoid over-carburetion if that was contributiong to my lousy fuel efficiency. At the other end of the scale, under carbureting could lead to leaner misture and higher EGT right?

My carb has 80670-1 and D292 just below it on the neck. 

To give you an idea of how bad the mileage was, when I pulled the tank to do the trunk pans I placed a plastic 2 gallon gas can in the back and strapped it down.  I filled it up, drove my car to the welding shop that was less than 3 miles away. After the shop completed the welding I ran out of gas about half way home on the return trip.

Granted, the shop would have burned some fuel moving it around while they were working on it but I surely would have thought 2 gallons would cover that and the trip up there and back.       
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2005 - 01:05:20 PM »
the 80670 is a 670 carb , milage deoends on engine effiecency , proper tuning & cam selectin cam make a huge difference , also head porting , intake & exhaust make a huge difference as well , , the size of the carb doesn`t make a lot of difference , I have seen over 14 Mpg from a holley 1050 Dominator but not when it was floored ,Smaller carbs tend to be more responsive but not always & can restrict top end power 

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2005 - 01:26:36 PM »
would the 670 be about right then for the 340 with a stock cam or would it be considered under-carbed?
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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2005 - 11:25:48 PM »
670 is fine, I built a 340 (recently) that would run 12's with a 600 edelbrock, it is all in engine combo.
As far as the efficiency goes, edelbrocks and thermoterds are the way to go. The metering rods and springs monitor and fuel the engine off of vacuum, and not throttle setting. (for instance, lets say throttle is at 20% and you are travelling at 3000, then, you climb a hill, throttle is still at 20%, but rpm drops to 2800, the engine creates less vacuum, wich lifts the metering rods, and gives the engine more fuel, for more power) this also helps the carb run real lean at high vacuum, wich is how you get good MPG.

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2005 - 11:49:03 PM »
the Holley do the same thing with the power valve , it is closed with high manifold vacuum & opens when the vacuum drops & enriches the jet circuit

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Re: carb reliability - Holley, Demon or ?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2005 - 08:37:27 AM »
At this point I am looking for a soution that is plug and play. I am concerend about preserving my header coating. Have heard a lot of stories about ruined or degraded finish because of poor carb tuning. Also, I have the new MP cam and lifters. I would like to know that when I do the initial break-in my chances are better that I will keep low or moderate EGT and keep the headers looking good. 
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