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Offline tomsa

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Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« on: September 23, 2019 - 04:19:01 PM »
Hi
I'm going to install the windsheid and bought all clips (I hope) but there are nothing to space it up from the bottom of the frame in this kit,There must be something there or ?




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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2019 - 05:44:16 PM »
There should be 2 rubber blocks that go underneath the bottom of the windshield. You can easily make them or go to any auto glass place and asked them for some. I prefer to make them once I mock up the windshield so I get the height exactly as I want it.

Make sure you put the clips in before putting in the windshield
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2019 - 10:37:28 PM »
And then there's whether you're using butyl tape or urethane and it'll make a difference as to how high the glass sits and it's relation with the mldg. This also doesn't address the chances, although remote, of you cracking it while installing it or any possible leaks. In my neck of the woods, you can usually get a w/s installed for about $100 and you should ask yourself, is it worth it?  :cheers:
« Last Edit: September 23, 2019 - 10:40:37 PM by jimynick »

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019 - 12:11:28 AM »
All good points, however here on the west coast it is very difficult to find anyone who will use butyl so there is that. I have had some installed and I have installed some; first off its a 2 person job no matter what, however it is not super difficult, just have to be careful and be calculated in how you proceed. I highly recommend taping the crap out of your window channels, meaning taping around where the windows go in, tape it back aways, probably 6" or so. Even use some masking paper to protect the paint because the buytl or urethane tends to get everywhere.
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019 - 12:32:41 PM »
 Hi
Thanks for The answers.
I have bought butyl (a long string, Im from sweden so I dont know The correct terms 🤣)
This Rubber spacer must be thicker then The glass and The butyl but The glass Will hang out Over The pocket?
Is it original bolted in some way or am I thinking wrong?
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019 - 02:54:43 PM »
The rubber blocks merely lay in the channel under the windshield to hold it from sliding down. They do need to be thicker than the glass to compensate for the depth of the channel but also have to allow for the trim to sit flush. Its a little work to set up but not bad.
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2019 - 04:24:54 PM »
This rubber is something else then I guess?

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2019 - 10:52:44 PM »
No, I think that is what we are talking about.
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019 - 12:48:01 AM »
Ok
It fits good and was in a box with other things that belongs in that area 😉

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019 - 10:58:17 AM »
I always recommend the butyl tape verse the urethane,. I use the 3/8 inch tape which causes the window to sit a little high but the trim still lines up well. I figure over time that sunlight heat will cause the tape to settle. Attached is a good read on why I don't use urethane. https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-those-little-dots-are-on-the-edges-of-your-c-1791075995

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019 - 01:44:24 PM »
I did a fair amount of research then I was putting the glass in my Cuda. What I discovered is that urethane was developed and is now used because in modern cars the glass is actually a structural component of the vehicle, therefore the urethane (as a glue) is used to bond the glass to the window channel. In the old cars, butyl was used merely to hold the glass in place. Some people will state that butyl is illegal to use (which I do not believe is the case in most places).

I have used butyl and urethane and they each come with their own issues. I would agree that using 3/8 butyl would yield decent results. My only advice which I already gave is to mask the crap out of the window channels because that butyl gets on everything and is a pain to remove.
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019 - 02:21:55 PM »
I bought 3/8" butyl-band like this from the car glass shop in town.

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019 - 05:09:12 PM »
That should work
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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019 - 08:59:47 PM »
I very much agree to tape and cover all areas.  I use 5/16 butyl on my Cuda.  I also used a Butyl rubber cement primer as a precaution for a solid seal.  I have a pictoral sequence on how I did this to attain alignment in my thread 1973 redo round 2.  I'll try to attach pictures for you if you still need them.  I also agree that it is a two person job and use handled suction cups to locate the glass.  Another step I used was to put the butyl ribbon on the channel surface but leave the backing tape on it.  It is a little tricky on the corners but this step allows you to place the glass on it, keep the glass orientated to the tape markers and then remove the backing paper, a two person job.

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Re: Installing windsheid Challenger 70
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019 - 09:20:01 PM »
Here are a few pictures of the glass install.  I decided to use the pinch weld primer.  I dry fit the glass with the provided rubber spacers, about 5/16. The rear glass needed a little more TLC for a good fit.  Both are original glass so I used the 5/16 butyl tape and it came out pretty good. I used tape to align the glass as well as suction cups so that both of us could guide it into place.  I also laid the glass on the tape before removing the backing.  You have to be careful on the corners because the backing paper needs to be torn to lay correctly.