Author Topic: 440 stroker (Read 3091 times)

patrickb · « **on:** July 17, 2005 - 08:46:04 PM »

Hi all, just discover that forum, great !!

Ok, I want to build a 493ci from a 440 with a six-pack set-up, stage1 906 head from Hugues engines,
stock exhaust manifold (yes stock), I want it to look stock outside
but brutal inside !! I want big torque at low rpm and power thru 5500 rpm,
the engine will be in a 70 cuda 4speed, with 3.54 reargear, or 4.10 if I use a keisler 5 speed.
The car will be a driver and want to run it on pump gas.
Compression ratio 9.5:1 max.
I would like to have at least 425(FWHP) and around 450 ft/lbs of torque.

First question : I want to go with an hydraulic roller cam in the 230-240 duration at 0.050",
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Second question : I would go with the stroker kit from "440 source.com", is anybody tried it and is it a good
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Any comments are welcome

Thanks

Pat
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4Cruizn · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2005 - 09:01:59 PM »

Welcome!! Your car sounds sweet!! DO you have any pics you can share with us?? Stick around and I think you'll find this is a great place for information and friendly people!! :thumbs:

patrickb · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2005 - 09:51:46 PM »

Thanks 4cruzin !

Well actually I want to built that car, but still looking for a great body with 3 or 4 speed
from factory.

The only picture I can share is my already sold 71 cuda�

, Tunisian tan color with green interior !!
probably 1 of 1 with these colors. 383 auto.

Thanks

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patrickb · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2005 - 09:55:34 PM »

The engine picture too !!

I live in Quebec, Canada, but the car was sold in Elko Nevada.

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Robb · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2005 - 10:17:54 PM »

Quote from: patrickb on July 17, 2005 - 08:46:04 PM

or 4.10 if I use a keisler 5 speed.

Any comments are welcome

Thanks

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Have you talked to Keisler about that

1st gear will be pretty short for you with that combo. (Unless youre planning on some truck tires in the back)

3.55's have a feel like of 3.91's on first gear on the TKO600

4.10s will feel like 4.44 on a 26" tall tire.

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2005 - 11:52:36 PM »

440 source is suppsoed to be a good place to get a kit from , no personal experience though
for a street engine I would recommend using a solid flat tappet cam over a roller , I have been using the UltraDyne cams , with 243 * @ .050& 580 lift with 1.6 rockers , or the 251* @ .050 & .610 lift with 1.6 rockers
I could port a set of heads for you if needed , make sure you port or extrude hone the exhaust manifolds

gomangoRT/SE · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2005 - 02:48:29 PM »

i really like the color of your car.......very unique..........

As for 440source. I have read and hear others say its a quality place.........I just bought all new Ross pistons, new 440 steel crank, rods with ARP rod bolts and all the bearings from a guy who lost interest in his car and bought a Mustang conv.........I must say I am satisified, but then again I paid only $1300 for everything.......including Childs & Albert rings (Clevite bearings V series) I have included a site you probably know exits that 440 source tells you about things you and others may be interested in.........here goes www.440source.com/blockinfo.htm or www.440source.com
Interesting reading.....seperates alot of fact from fiction

patrickb · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2005 - 06:15:56 PM »

Thanks Robb, I'll have to check that about the keisler.

Thanks� gomango.

Thanks too Chryco Psycho, about the Ultradyne 243 @ 0.050", how's the idle ? And will I have enought
vaccum for power brake ??� How about Engle cams ? Hydraulic cam would required no periodicly adjustement no ??

Thanks guys.

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2005 - 01:25:21 AM »

actually we used a 243* cam in a 6 pack engine & it has virtually a stock idle with great vacuum & awesome power , i will have dyno results in approx 1 week
Hyd cams do not need adjustment , solid cams do but generally after the first 500 miles the adjustments are once a year or less

patrickb · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2005 - 09:52:45 AM »

Thanks CP

Will you post your'e dynu result with the 243* cam for us ??

I heard that the cost versus power gain is minimal for extrude hone of the exhaust manifolds� !

firefighter3931 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2005 - 10:06:37 AM »

If you really want to run the factory manifolds, have the cam ground on a 112 lsa to reduce overlap. This will help with reversion and intake charge dilution due to poor scavenging....which is a problem with manifolds. An x-pipe would be a worthwhile addition as well. If you want it to run on pump fuel, a flattop piston at zero deck with a closed chamber aluminum head will make excellent power and be detonation free. Shoot for 10.5:1 static compression with tight quench.

Ron

tancuda · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2005 - 09:39:30 PM »

Thanks firefighter3931

I really want to run stock exhaust manifold, and want to run ported 906 head too.

I think I should run a cam with a lot more duration on the exhaust side, am I right ?

thanks again

Chryco Psycho · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2005 - 11:02:19 AM »

depends on how the heads are proted , using the 112* LCA helps though

firefighter3931 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2005 - 11:05:30 AM »

Tancuda, if you plan on using an open chamber iron head (906/452) then shoot for 9.5:1 static compression for pump gas. Depending on intake/exhaust flow balance a split pattern might be in order. As a rule of thumb, factory heads are weaker (comparatively) on the exhaust side. A cam with additional lift and duration helps by allowing the motor to exhale better. A 6-8* split works well in this type of application, from my experience.

Ron

tancuda · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2005 - 08:49:15 PM »

I would go with 906 ported head from Hugues Engines (stage 1 head).

Ok, a cam with 112 LCA, 6-8* split, I would prefer a cam designed for chrysler .904" dia. lifter.

I've check and there's not a lot of choice for a cam like this !

Any idea ?

Thanks

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