R/T VS R/TSE

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R/T VS R/TSE
« on: September 30, 2005 - 02:39:50 PM »
Can some one help me and tell me the difference between an R/T and an R/T SE. Besides the Vin #, and overhead console what other options did the R/T SE have that were not on the R/T.
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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2005 - 02:51:30 PM »
Upgraded interior (leather, door panel trim, cloth headliner), small rear window, exterior trim (Vinyl top, A63 pkg std, and SE roof emblems).

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2005 - 04:03:37 PM »
The small rear window should give it away. Nobody with a sane mind would put that on a car!!! If it's there, it's an S/E or R/T S/E.

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2005 - 04:27:04 PM »
Upgraded interior (leather, door panel trim, cloth headliner), small rear window, exterior trim (Vinyl top, A63 pkg std, and SE roof emblems).
The cloth and vinyl seats were a credit option delete. The vin will be JS29 for tjhe RT/SE.

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2005 - 05:36:52 PM »
Trim trim trim....   chrome and argent.

small back window


either you have an SE or you dont.

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2005 - 05:45:35 PM »
The cloth and vinyl seats were a credit option delete. The vin will be JS29 for tjhe RT/SE.


Leather was standard on the SE.  Cloth & vinyl and leather were also available as additional cost options on all Challengers except the Deputy.   Those interiors also included the carpet and reflectors and wood grain on the door panel except for the Special Edition script and the rear seat ashtrays.  Also, the SE was a model not a trim package thus the VIN number difference.

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2005 - 06:57:05 PM »
The small rear window should give it away. Nobody with a sane mind would put that on a car!!! If it's there, it's an S/E or R/T S/E.

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I agree mike you would have to be insane to install one of those on purpose! you can't see SH*T out of the small back window of an se!!!
also another option on an se is the carpet strips along the bottom of the door panels!! boy are those nice if you like to kick the door open with your shoes! the panels don't get scratched! at least I believe that is an se option!!

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2005 - 08:02:50 PM »
What was Chrysler thinking with those stupid small rear windows?
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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2005 - 11:25:38 PM »


Privacy, the smaller the window the less we can see in.
Being the luxury model that's what they thought people wanted.
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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2005 - 07:14:00 AM »
Everyone above has just about said it all...........the R/T SEs were for the crowd who wanted power and additional comfort or convenience items.    Generally the SE optioned cars had more options on them.........not always of course but usually.  In addition the R/T SE were produced in far less numbers.   They were produced only in 1970 also.

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2005 - 10:10:18 AM »
Ok here goes
I know the car is not SE.It has some SE type items all in the iterior Which I believe makes it unusal I just wonder how unusal?. I have had several people look at the car and at first view think it is an R/T SE and this is why.
The interior has
Leather seats
Thumb radio
Doors have carpet,reflectors and woodgrain inlay But does not have the SE signia.
Cloth headliner
Ashtray in rear seat panels panels.
Chrome along door plates.

The vin and fender tag go like this
JS23N0E127979
J = Dodge Challenger
S = Special, R/T
23 = 2 Door Hardtop
N = 383 330HP OR 335HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
E = Los Angeles, CA, USA assembly plant

D32 = 727 torqueflite
E63 = 383 4bbl
FC7 = Plum Crazy
V1W = White Vinyl Top
A62 = Rallye Instru. Clustr
B51 = power assit brks
C16 = console w buckets
C55 = Bucket seats
J25 = 3spd var wipers (cool)
M21 = drip rail moldings
N41 = duel exh w/o tips
N42 = crome duel exhst tips (contradiction with above)
N85 = tach
R35 = am/fm multiplex st radio (nice)
V1w = White Vinyl top (again?)
V6W = white longitudinal stripe 70
Y14 = sold car 69-71 (sold order)

Again I know it's not an SE. I just wonder how many have seen the interior like this in a Challenger?
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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2005 - 11:25:59 AM »
in 71 there was a formal roof package as well as the upgraded interior package
possibly the upgraded interior was available in 70 as well without ordering the full SE package

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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2005 - 11:34:30 AM »
in 71 there was a formal roof package as well as the upgraded interior package
possibly the upgraded interior was available in 70 as well without ordering the full SE package

  Could be.
 How would I find something like that out?
 I have E-mailed  Galen but have heard nothing back on tracking the origin of the car.
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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2005 - 01:56:14 PM »
Ok here goes
I know the car is not SE.It has some SE type items all in the iterior Which I believe makes it unusal I just wonder how unusal?. I have had several people look at the car and at first view think it is an R/T SE and this is why.
The interior has
Leather seats
Thumb radio
Doors have carpet,reflectors and woodgrain inlay But does not have the SE signia.
Cloth headliner
Ashtray in rear seat panels panels.
Chrome along door plates.

The vin and fender tag go like this
JS23N0E127979
J = Dodge Challenger
S = Special, R/T
23 = 2 Door Hardtop
N = 383 330HP OR 335HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL
0 = 1970
E = Los Angeles, CA, USA assembly plant

D32 = 727 torqueflite
E63 = 383 4bbl
FC7 = Plum Crazy
V1W = White Vinyl Top
A62 = Rallye Instru. Clustr
B51 = power assit brks
C16 = console w buckets
C55 = Bucket seats
J25 = 3spd var wipers (cool)
M21 = drip rail moldings
N41 = duel exh w/o tips
N42 = crome duel exhst tips (contradiction with above)
N85 = tach
R35 = am/fm multiplex st radio (nice)
V1w = White Vinyl top (again?)
V6W = white longitudinal stripe 70
Y14 = sold car 69-71 (sold order)

Again I know it's not an SE. I just wonder how many have seen the interior like this in a Challenger?

N41 and N42 are not contradictions, theyre compliments   You can have N41 without N42 but not the other way around,  the rest are just options that the buyer chose.    You could order just about whatever combination of options you wanted to, if you were willing to wait for delivery (IE the Y14, it was pre-ordered)    Whats the 4character code for the interior (thatll be on the Fender tag and we can tell if it was factory leather or not).


Are you absolutely sure the car is original and unmolested ?      never-ever ?    (Shrugging SMiley)

The SE car is nothing but a series of added trim pieces all in a basic package that they called a "Model".   Theres no special structure to body or frame, no special engine, all the SE stuff could be found or just painted argent and bolted or screwed on including the Formal back Window to any other Challenger around. 


On previous cars that I have owned I used to go to the junk yards, and look/find cars like mine, and if the Junkyard car had better parts or options than mine had, out it came and I put it in mine.   Factory parts in a factory car, just not from the factory.    20 - 35 years later you wouldnt have been able to tell whether I did it or the factory did ?


Had a 93 Nissan kingcab PU that I went and pulled interior parts out of a Pathfinder and a SE-X 4x4 for.....   

Had a 81 Cutlass that I swapped out all kinds of interior stuff for.....  all kinds of GMs 

The 66 Olds had a few upgrades I made with factory parts out of other vehicles.....


Bottom line:   if the car isnt fender tagged or broadcast sheeted for the stuff......       youll never know if it was factory or added in later, and never be able to prove it one way or the other.     (insert winking smiley and thumbs up smiley)     


 


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Re: R/T VS R/TSE
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2005 - 02:09:10 PM »
N41 and N42 are not contradictions, theyre compliments   You can have N41 without N42 but not the other way around,  the rest are just options that the buyer chose.    You could order just about whatever combination of options you wanted to, if you were willing to wait for delivery (IE the Y14, it was pre-ordered)    Whats the 4character code for the interior (thatll be on the Fender tag and we can tell if it was factory leather or not).


Are you absolutely sure the car is original and unmolested ?      never-ever ?    (Shrugging SMiley)




 


 



I am sure the car is original and untouched.
Heres the fender tag.
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