R/T option on Challangers

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R/T option on Challangers
« on: October 02, 2005 - 05:14:57 PM »
I have had a few Challangers in my time.  I had two at the same time a few years ago.  I was told and did some research and was told that the R/T option was not available on a one with a 340 engine.  I had one that was originally Sublime Green with a white vynal top and white interior and had a really good mopar friend that knew the car frow when it was new and said it had the r/t badges when it was new.  I am just currious about this.  I also know that these cars were built the way the customer wanted and could be and were changed on the assembly line the way the customer wanted it built.  I have friends that worked in the factories and told me about this also.  I can post a picture of the triple black one I had.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2005 - 05:30:02 PM »
No small block (340) R/T's in 1970.  1971 R/T was available with the 340.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005 - 06:09:06 PM »
Well what my dad is sayin that his friends dad had bought a 340 challenger new in 1970 and it came with the badging of a 1970. We both know that it was not accustomed to coming like that but back in 1970 it was more about what the customer wanted. My dad is tryin to figure out if anyone else has found this to be true to . Alot of people say my dads barracuda is wrong because it has a blacked out tail panel. But it is made like that cause of the m46 option on. Well having said that this could also be true. Unless you followed the car through its life like my dad had with his challenger then you dont really know. And also they had what is called dealer installed options that the build sheet wouldnt even tell you that it had that option. In this case my dad's friends dad bought the car new my dad knew the car for along time and eventually bought it so in this case it was a 340 r/t challenger.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005 - 07:12:43 PM »
The VIN should tell all.....JS23.......if its a true R/T
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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2005 - 08:24:41 PM »
Do you really think that the Vin tells all?  I was in a Chrysler Plymouth dealership more than likely before you were born and when the 72, 73 and 74 Barracuda's were new on the show room.  I had people from Chrysler tell me that they could not dispute the 70 R/T Challanger with the 340 engine and the vin not correct.  I checked with all who were in the know at the time and they could not tell me if it was what it was.
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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2005 - 08:49:50 PM »
Do you really think that the Vin tells all?  I was in a Chrysler Plymouth dealership more than likely before you were born and when the 72, 73 and 74 Barracuda's were new on the show room.  I had people from Chrysler tell me that they could not dispute the 70 R/T Challanger with the 340 engine and the vin not correct.  I checked with all who were in the know at the time and they could not tell me if it was what it was.

Sure tells more than a couple of add on emblems.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2005 - 08:56:13 PM »
Thats ok if you think that way.  I know different.  But each to there own.  All I can say is prove it!!!!!
Got a pretty good start on my M46 optioned Barracuda restoration but now it is on hold till I can gather more funds.  Still need a few parts for it.  SIU Graduate 75 AAS Automotive Tech, 94 BS Advanced Tech Studies, 1997 MSED Workforce Education and Development

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2005 - 09:00:01 PM »
I agree, the emblems do not make the car what it is, The VIN would tell you for sure. All 1970 340 cars that I have seen are JH23 including the T/As.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2005 - 09:37:43 PM »
Thats ok if you think that way.  I know different.  But each to there own.  All I can say is prove it!!!!!

Well my thing for you, how can you verify that it is indeed an R/T and not a Challenger with a special handling package?? BTW, I am slightly over 20 years of age....
69 RoadRunner (clone)
70 Cuda 383 4 speed (project) one of the first few off the line at Hamtramck with a 1017XX VIN
70 Cuda convertible 340 4 speed (project)
70 Barracuda (project)
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72 Cuda 340 3 speed (project)
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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2005 - 09:46:40 PM »
Thats ok if you think that way. I know different. But each to there own. All I can say is prove it!!!!!

you could get A66 option pkg that gave the base Challenger an R/T look.

I just typed it all in but lost it when I went to post, I', not doing that again.
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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2005 - 09:56:42 PM »
 According to  a 1970 Dodge Challenger brochure, a 340ci engine was not available for an R/T, not even a 383 2bbl engine was available on an R/T.  According to the brochure, the standard engine on a 1970 R/T was a 383 4bbl enigine.  (See picture).  I would think that if the car was ordered that way with a 340, there would have to be a "JS" in the VIN and E55 on the fender tag/build sheet.  Just my guess.

True, there are dealer installed options that the dealer installed that may not be noted on a build sheet (i.e. Go wing, etc.) but the likelihood of
a) a roller Challenger (no engine) sent to the dealership so the dealer could install a 340 or
b)the dealer taking out a 383 4bbl engine so they could install a 340.  Who would do this?????
The possibility of either is slim to none, but not impossible.  If done, the dealer would note this on the invoice somewhere, I would think.  The only way to prove it, and the burden is on the owner of the car, is to have documentation.  If it ain't written down somewhere, it wasn't done by Ma Mopar somewhere down the line.  Just my 2 cents.

It would be hard to go on just the fact it had R/T emblems.  My 1990 Integra had a V6 emblem but Integras were never made with a V6.  (I put it there!)

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1972 Dodge Challenger Rallye 340, AT, Code TB3=Super Blue, SBD=8/17/1971.  Yes, a Rallye without the fender louvers from the factory because of the body side molding option.

Pic #2 and 3 of my ARII 1/24 scale model car 

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2005 - 10:07:33 PM »
OOOoooops!  Just saw the post JS27N0B just made.  (posted mine the same time so didn't see it!)

He's correct.  There is a A66 Challenger 340 Performance package that made the 340 base Challenger look like an R/T.  It included:
-340 engine, code E55
-F70-14 RWL tires
-R/T performance hood
-heavy duty brakes
-heavy duty suspension
-Bumble Bee paint stripe, may be deleted
-"Scat Pack" decal on rear quarter panel
-standard wheel lip moulding is deleted

This means that there would have to be an A66 code on the fender tag.  Good find JS27N0B!
1972 Dodge Challenger Rallye 340, AT, Code TB3=Super Blue, SBD=8/17/1971.  Yes, a Rallye without the fender louvers from the factory because of the body side molding option.

Pic #2 and 3 of my ARII 1/24 scale model car 

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2005 - 12:13:52 PM »
I worked in a Chrysler Plymouth dealership in the early 70's and let me tell you that if a customer wanted something and the dealer wanted to sell that person a car they would do there best to make it happen. I saw dealers add 6 pack setups and I saw 6 packs removed at the customers request. I saw stripes added, radio and 8 tracks and cassette player swaped out and wheels changed. So if your dads friend wanted a 340 Challenger with R/T badges I have no doubt at all that the DEALER installed them for him if it meant selling him that car.
The VIN's are almost always correct but typo's are known to exsit.
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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2005 - 04:27:46 PM »
Wow a person that agrees. I guess you would have had to been there like my dad and js27 was to believe it.

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Re: R/T option on Challangers
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2005 - 07:18:59 PM »
So if your dads friend wanted a 340 Challenger with R/T badges I have no doubt at all that the DEALER installed them for him if it meant selling him that car.
JS27

But JS27, if one were to get a base model with the badges added on later at the dealer, does this still make the car a R/T?? Just trying to figure this out, not trying to be confrontational.....

69 RoadRunner (clone)
70 Cuda 383 4 speed (project) one of the first few off the line at Hamtramck with a 1017XX VIN
70 Cuda convertible 340 4 speed (project)
70 Barracuda (project)
71 GTX 440 4 speed (project)
72 Cuda 340 3 speed (project)
3 Harleys
95 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel 4x4

Expensive Pee is the end result of Expensive Beer!