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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #300 on: November 29, 2015 - 01:18:47 PM »
Clone, tribute, Whatever the trendy word of the week... Same thing, Salesmen find new ways to try to extract the maximum profit... End of the day if you like the car & you enjoy driving it then it's perfect.... I like clones cause they are supposed to look the part without the big investment... Salesmen are trying to change that...
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #301 on: November 29, 2015 - 01:24:40 PM »
End of the day if you like the car & you enjoy driving it then it's perfect....

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #302 on: November 29, 2015 - 01:45:15 PM »
Ok, let's stir the pot
Clone owners should have to put a big decal on the side of their cars that say "CLONE - I was not born as the real thing". Lets see how many people would look at their car now. :stirpot:

Example - breast implants Vs real  :smilielol:

If I can see or touch the breasts , they are real!!
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #303 on: November 29, 2015 - 02:20:21 PM »
If I can see or touch the breasts , they are real!!

Exactly!  Just like the cars, they are just as fun to "drive"

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #304 on: November 29, 2015 - 02:30:01 PM »
Clones, restomods, OE cars, I like all of them. Doing mine as a restomod now, I would not restomod a real R/T, and If I had a numbersmatching car, any e-body, 318 or even slant 6, I would keep it stock.
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #305 on: November 29, 2015 - 02:30:46 PM »
Ok, let's stir the pot
Clone owners should have to put a big decal on the side of their cars that say "CLONE - I was not born as the real thing". Lets see how many people would look at their car now. :stirpot:

Example - breast implants Vs real  :smilielol:

Not even sure how to respond to this statement in a family orientated way... exceptionally insulting and elitist. If someone is building a car to represent some other car and is trying to pass it off as that for profit, that is a misrepresentation of the facts and is wrong and illegal (same as everything else to include houses, dogs, etc). If however a car is built in a manner to represent or pay homage to a vehicle that is otherwise unobtainable and represents it as such, nothing at all wrong with that and I personally would encourage it and exactly the reason so many on this forum go this route; there are only so many high performance, exciting vehicles still available and you can build a better car for the same or less money and not be scared to drive it. If someone desires a six pack Ebody today, you have 2 choices; mortgage your house and get a car that is still just a car that needs maintenance like any other that you are scared to drive OR buy the Ebody of your choice and build a car that you can enjoy (and learn something in the process). There is no magic to these vehicles; this whole "clone" thing is ridiculous; with the exception of misrepresentation or illegal activity.

So, based on the quote above and the fact that there are very few truly "original" cars out there; the non "cloned" cars should have a "mostly original" sticker on them.

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #306 on: November 29, 2015 - 06:11:50 PM »
i prefer everything as long as it's nice, look stock and it's driveable. The cars are there for us to drive them. Why is this such a war against clones? As long as someone is not mipresenting them, it's ok to have an HemiCuda clone because only few people could have the originals...

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #307 on: November 29, 2015 - 06:42:16 PM »
   An E-Body is an E-Body no matter what engine or transmission, or for that matter name plate, came on the car when new. Some are worth more than others money wise, but that doesn't make them less valuable to the owners. If everyone wanted to keep everything in life original and not improve things we would all be still living in caves.
   Years ago when I was putting my car back together and the availability of repro parts was pretty limited I have to use what I could get. When people ask me at car shows if my car is all original I laugh and tell them "all the parts are ORIGINALLY off some car"   

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #308 on: November 29, 2015 - 06:52:10 PM »
I have heard people say they wont buy used parts, all parts in a running vehicle are used parts.
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #309 on: November 29, 2015 - 07:23:17 PM »
I personally respect those who are obsessed with "original" as it takes a lot of time, effort, money and skill to do well. That said and completely IMO, this is exceptionally boring. It doesn't require a lot of imagination to put a car back to original so long as you know what that is; of course the challenge is "how" original which is where you people who research and know/which exact screw, bolt, etc is correct for a specific application. These are typically also the people who "swear" something didn't come with something and are too often proven wrong. Again, I am not hating on this aspect of the hobby, I respect their dedication and to a degree influence on the hobby. What I do hate about this particular aspect is the aspiring "experts" who love to walk around car shows and tell everyone what is wrong with their car, or look at the fender tag and spout off code blah blah and how that vehicle either should or shouldn't have it. Even worse are those who have made a living off of it and are touted as experts; but have been proven to be wrong on numerous occasions to the tune of lots of $$. Again, not hating or bad mouthing anyone in particular; just saying that when you profess to be an expert in something as crazy and Mopars where basically anyone with enough money could have almost anything; I would have to wonder if they could not get a real job or not. Knowledge of the hobby is great and is highly encouraged, but this obsession with originality is confusing. Those of us who grew up when these cars were new can attest to the fact that little if any remained "original" very long. Usually the first stop from the dealer was the speedshop for headers, wheels and tires.

Once again IMO; the real interesting vehicles are those who are built by the owner. Thought through, components sourced, systems designed, etc. For me, this is the true hobby. Making something as it was 30-40 years ago is fine for a museum but on the street it should be functional, handle well, stop, go, etc. Not that an original car cannot do these things or be made to do them (using original parts of course); but with the advancements in technology and aftermarket parts these cars are made better than when new. If it were not for restomods and the like (choose whatever term you like to describe to infuse an old car with new technology); many of the aftermarket to include the resto parts so cherished by the "original" crowd would not exist. Subsequently without the "original" crowd the rest of us wouldn't know that the Tuff wheel in your prized Challenger was incorrect...  :bigsmile:

Sorry for the soap box but this has been a bit of an issue for me. I used to laugh at the Vette guys for this exact position; now we have it in the Mopar world. If you love original cars and the thought of restoring one to this condition does it for you; god bless you (by God I mean whatever deity you look to for guidance and inspiration); this just isn't my personal desire. I saw, rode in and drove them when they were new or near new; cool as it was then, a restomod or modified original is far better. Anyone who looks at any of my cars and says something like "it shouldn't have this or should have that", my response is "funny, I didn't see you name on the title"... just saying...
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #310 on: November 29, 2015 - 09:09:21 PM »
Funny how so many point to the creativity involved in doing a Restomod when the reality is these days most of the Restomods are cookie cutter.... Open a catalog & order your Alterkation, Order your Wilwood brakes, order your Vintage Air.... Maybe the really cool Carbon Fiber instrument Cluster.... Lets see, a trans from American Powertrain.... Maybe a D60 from Strange... What's next?

Sorry Restomods aren't particularly creative these days... Ten to fifteen years ago when you had to adapt things that never were intended to go together... Then it was creative....  Creative like Feets with his twin turbo 440 powered 65 Fury with AMG Mercedes 14" 6 piston brakes & one off wheels... Thats creative...  These current cookie cutter Restomods... Sorry No...

I love that when guys are done bolting their Wilwoods on it seems the half of them's next stop is here to post about how their car doesn't stop & what do they need to try next...

Or the guy that buys that *****in' new Alterkation suspension, get it all together only to find the steering doesn't return to center or better yet the ackerman angle is so far off that when turning tight radius turns the tires scrub so bad on the pavement that you can feel the inside tire actually "step over" to correct it's path...

Hey, don't get me wrong, I too like improving these old cars but I do that by improving whats there, not scrapping some very good parts just because there's something "new" out there.... "New" doesn't always mean "better'...  :2cents:

I've never driven a vehicle equipped with XV Suspension, I know they talked a good pitch, but I also know they imploded & left people who had spent allot of money on their products high & dry...



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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #311 on: November 29, 2015 - 09:38:30 PM »
Everyone enjoys the hobby their own way. I see the all-original guys put socks on the pedals to drive them on and off the trailer. The restomod guys do their thing and that's cool too. Me, I don't want to destroy anything and I like the fact one of my cars is an A66 and the other is a U-code but I've powered both of them up and added shakers to both too. I enjoy the extra power, the slightly better than stock handling and stopping and the original appearance of both cars. The last matching #'s car I had was my 71 Hemi Charger, I loved the car but I drove it too much and was afraid of damaging one of the original components so I sold it. If I blow up one of the Hemis in my current cars all it takes is a few thousand dollars and some new parts and I'll be driving them again. That's what works for me.

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #312 on: November 29, 2015 - 09:47:27 PM »
Everyone enjoys the hobby their own way. I see the all-original guys put socks on the pedals to drive them on and off the trailer. The restomod guys do their thing and that's cool too. Me, I don't want to destroy anything and I like the fact one of my cars is an A66 and the other is a U-code but I've powered both of them up and added shakers to both too. I enjoy the extra power, the slightly better than stock handling and stopping and the original appearance of both cars. The last matching #'s car I had was my 71 Hemi Charger, I loved the car but I drove it too much and was afraid of damaging one of the original components so I sold it. If I blow up one of the Hemis in my current cars all it takes is a few thousand dollars and some new parts and I'll be driving them again. That's what works for me.

Sheldon

I haven't known anyone who would actually use their Hemi in 25-30 years...  I need to take a trip to BC..  :burnout:

Hemi's have mostly become investment grade cars & most clones are more showboat than road warrior...
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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #313 on: November 29, 2015 - 10:40:52 PM »
Yup: This is after a 150 mile trip back home from a show. It ran 13.0s with a 3.23 gear too. I personally cannot justify owning a car I don't drive. However lots of other people are fine with it. I just don't find looking at them to be all that much fun. This would be 10 years ago.

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Re: How do you guys feel about clones?
« Reply #314 on: November 29, 2015 - 10:52:00 PM »
Oh and I drove this car 100 miles south, raced it and drove it back home this March. Shortly after that I traded the body for my R/T-SE. An original Hemi car although most people don't seem to value them much.

Sheldon
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