You're right Lumpy...there won't be any winners, but a conclusion would be nice. So let's just leave it at this... When you're at C-C.com you play by C-C.com rules, when you're at MoparTech you play by MoparTech rules. Everybodies happy. If you want to start badmouthing our members and our site on another board, you must know you're not going to be welcomed here.