anyone use 440 source yet?

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anyone use 440 source yet?
« on: December 14, 2005 - 11:35:51 AM »
Just wondering if any one has purchased a stroker kit from the 440 source yet. I was talking to them yesterday and was thinking about either their 400 to 500 kit or their 440 to 500 kit. I was told that the 400 to 500 kit would be more durable mostly due to lighter pistons. 




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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005 - 12:25:58 PM »
let us know what you decide.

I like the stroker 400 idea myself.
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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005 - 01:11:41 AM »
I haeard nothing bad about 440 source
 from a rod ratio standpoint I would do the 440 -505 ci & use 7.1" long rods if possible

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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005 - 09:52:18 PM »
this was the chart there...thinking ....mabey the 528

Stroker Kits Table:
All kits are $1389. Where custom pistons must be used, add $165. Other options such as rings/bearings, upgrades, etc are similar to those listed above. Call us for details.

440 Block:
Part #:    Stroke:    Rod Length(s):    Rod Journal Size:    Wrist Pin Size(s):    Domed Piston Sizes:    Flattop Piston Sizes:    Dished Piston Sizes:    Oil Support Rings Used    Piston Height:    
440>>528    4.375"    7.100"    2.200"    .990"    Custom (Any)    Custom (Any)    Custom (Any)    NO    1.420"    
440>>512    4.250"    7.100"    2.200"    .990"    Custom (Any)    4.360" (.040)
4.375" (.055)    Custom (Any)    NO         
440>>500    4.150"    6.760"    2.375"    .990"    4.350" (.030)
4.375" (.055)    4.350" (.030)
4.360" (.040)
4.375" (.055)
4.380" (.060)    4.350" (.030)
4.375" (.055)    NO         
440>>440    3.750"    6.760"    2.375"    .990"
1.094"    4.350" (.030)
4.360" (.040)
4.375" (.055)    4.350" (.030)
4.360" (.040)
4.375" (.055)    Custom (Any)    NO         

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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2005 - 12:26:16 AM »
personally I would do the 505  with the 7.1 rod & maintain the rod ratio & sacrifice  a few CI

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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2005 - 06:54:08 PM »
Can you explain why rod ratio is so important again?  That 512 CI looks awful attractive and was wondering why you would choose a different rod ratio over more cubic inches!

So there is a replacement for displacement?   :burnout:

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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2005 - 08:07:30 PM »
I thought the 400 block had the best rod ratio available with a stroker crank in it?
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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005 - 10:07:05 PM »
the 400 with a 440 crank & 6.76 rods  has a 1.81 rod ratio & is the cheapest stroker because you can use stock rods & crank = 451 CI
the 440 with a 4.15 crank & 7.1" rods has a 1.71 rod ratio =500 CI
the 440 with a 4.15 crank & 6.76 rods has a 1.62 rod ratio =500 CI
the 440 with a 4.25 crank & 7.1 rods has a 1.67 rod ratio = 512 CI
the 440 with a 4.375 crank & 7.1 rods has a 1.62 rod ratio = 528 CI
 
 Rdo ratio is important for at least 3 reasons
 1] Less side loading on the piston & reduced stress on the con rods
 2] increased torque output due to better leverage
 3] increased efficiency , the piston stops longer at TDC increasing the amount of fuel burned & it moves away from TDC slower increasing the time the combustion has to push on the piston = more torque , the piston also stops longer art the bottom which can increase cylinder filling

 For example look at the GM & Ford diesels both short rod V8 engines with more CI , while the Cummins is an inline 6 with a con rod almost 2" longer , the Cummins get better milage & produces more torque modifed or stock , the same thing happens in Gas engines , the short rod Gm 350 trucks average 10 12- MPG while a 440 can get 18 MPG + with a bigger engine
 I will always give up  CI for more efficient power , I would not be surprised to see a 500 " engine outpull a 528 or 512 in torque output all other things being equal IE same cam & intake etc 

 BTW Gm average 1.5 rod ratios 
« Last Edit: December 20, 2005 - 10:23:26 PM by Chryco Psycho »

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Re: anyone use 440 source yet?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005 - 10:16:19 PM »
There was an article titled 452 manifesto that had some awesome engineering data and principles as to why it was the best way to go.
That was a few years ago though.
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