Car and Driver Classic Magazine WTF!

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Offline Steve

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Re: Car and Driver Classic Magazine WTF!
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2006 - 02:56:14 PM »
While the values at BJ have gone up a lot, I think that the appreciation of "typical" E-bodies has gone up not nearly as much. This gets back to my post on another thread that said your car is only worth what someone will pay for it. Just because a '71 hartop sells for XXX dollars at BJ doesn't mean you will get anywhere near that. The buyers at BJ seem atypical to say the least. Maybe they buy stuff at BJ because of the atmosphere, the ease of finding so many cars in one spot, the publicity aspects, who knows, but it sure ain't because BJ offers the best deals (which is 180 degrees out from the typical transportation auction that dealers go to). In fact, I would say that only the "extreme" e-bodies are appreciating much at this point. To be sure, there was a boom in prices due to several factors: 1) drop in stock market 2) competative real-estate market and 3) baby-boomers with access to cash (partly due to new-found wealth from massive appreciation and subsequent equity build-up in homes). As things change, money will move back into the stock market and less equity will be on tap as the housing market cools. This happened in the early 1990's and if you were out on a limb buying a way expensive '57 Chevy back then, you lost your tail.

As for investing your money, you should be able to do 10% or better in the market, which compounds and is very liquidable. If you buy an E-body, prices can drop faster than you can sell your car, something bad can happen to your car, and you sure aren't going to realize any compounding (except for any polishing and buffing that you do!).




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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2006 - 03:45:51 PM »
I don't believe the prices will drop on cars. First off the true mopar lovers with money will keep their cars no matter what happens to price. The price will be dictated by where a particular car falls in the food chain. For example a hemi cuda conv. will always be at the top of the chain ---why--because of a limited supply.. there are only 14 1970's and 11 1971 out there. That means that only 25 people in the whole world can own one of these cars.....We know for a fact that some of the owners of these cars own more than one. We also know that there are more than 25 people in the world who are rich enough to buy one of these cars. Therefore the price will continue to increase because someone will want one bad enough to keep offering more and more until someone decides to sell one. Now this will trickle down to all other mopars. Depending on how many are available and how bad someone wants one will create the price. The cars reputation will also factor in. There are only nine 1970 hemi challengers conv's in the world so they are actually more rare than the 70 or 71 hemi cuda's but don't bring the same amount of money---why--because the hemi cuda has a better reputation as thee "ultimate muscle car". You could have the only 1970 Duster 340 ever made but won't get the million's for it because it doesn't have the reputation.
True history has shown us that price do tend to top out and drop but only to come back ever higher a year or two later. In the late 80's you could by  hemi cuda for under $ 50,000.00 now 20 years later look at what they sell for.  Yes they may top out or drop in the next year or so but 10 years from now you will be spending 2 or 3 million for a hemi cuda hardtop.
As for the stock market where did you get the 10% profit. I personally know 12 people including myself that lost as much as 50% in the last 3 years. I don't know anybody who lost a dime on a mopar investment !!!!

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2006 - 08:18:58 AM »
My husband says on BJ that any car can go for any price just depends who is there and really wants it.

michele

Hey Michele,

He is right (even if he does drive a pontiac), BJ is full of guys who want to be seen on TV buying a car that cost 5 times what our houses are worth.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2006 - 08:40:29 AM »
To all the people buying our cars for investment purposes, I hope you choke on them!  :villagers:

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2006 - 09:01:33 AM »
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they did sell a 70 hemicuda convertible for $2 million at barrett-jackson last week but it was mint, and by the way it was to the guy that owns two 71 hemicuda convertibles already.

Yes, Bill W. bought that car which was previously owned by Dave C. in AZ (Dave still owns the yellow on white 71 Hemi Cuda convertible). But one thing is for sure, it was no "show car", it was nice but far from perfectly restored, it was an older restoration, I'd call it a weak #2 or a strong #3 car.  2 million for a 70 Hemi convertible is "all the money"personally I think it was too much for that particular example. But hey, what do I know, I don't own one nor could I.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2006 - 01:36:57 PM »
Sometimes it isn't about perfection.  I believe it is the "exclusivity factor".  Only 14 cars built, with less than that still surviving.  The old supply and demand deal.  There are so few of them, if you want one, you're gonna pay BIG bucks...    :cooldancing:    .....Oldschool

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2006 - 03:26:22 PM »
Well as someone who has two - 71 convertibles I'm happy as hell, except I have no plans to sell.  Not to mention neither is a numbers matching hemi or numbers matching anything so 2 million might be a stretch but they are fun to drive.  I was at Barrett-Jackson this year and the cars they sell for big bucks a flawless, you wouldn’t want to drive them very far.  Lastly here are a few pictures I took last August at Laguna Seca Raceway at a historics race, Craig’s AAR was there but DNF’d.  The 77 car led most of the race but got passed on the last lap to finish second.  If you ever can I recommend going to the historics, you see all kind of cars and the racers are very laid back.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2006 - 11:11:22 PM »
Cool Pics!!   :bigsmile:

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2006 - 05:51:10 AM »
i'd love to build a replica of that AAR
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Re: Car and Driver Classic Magazine WTF!
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2006 - 11:45:18 AM »
Just in case you guys didn't know about this 71 cuda conv which went for the highest amount ever for a muscle car.

Break out the depends  :money:

http://vintagecars.about.com/od/historygreatmoments/ss/hemicuda_rw.htm

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2006 - 04:49:57 PM »
hey thats sams car #77 a friend that i work with is trying to set it up so i can meet him.His mom lives about 15 miles from me and she still owns a superbird she is in her 90s.SAM told my friend last year that car runs better than ever.I want a photo of her with the car.

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2006 - 05:18:48 PM »
Here is a line up of a few other cars at Laguna Seca.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2006 - 05:24:55 PM »
hey locke do you live near the track?

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2006 - 05:37:27 PM »
No, in Phoenix.  I go over for the race, auction and Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance every year, it is a great 5 days in August!
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2006 - 05:43:31 PM »
thanks for the photos I live in north west ct about 10 minutes from lime rock so try to get over there whenever the trans am cars are in.