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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2006 - 01:28:52 AM »
I am really not a fan of diaphragm clutches

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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2006 - 01:31:40 AM »
the early bels use a flat plate for a fork pivot , this is the style used in the bel you purchased , Mopar make the fork for that still . Later style use a ball pivot & a different fork , I have 3-4 of these available if needed

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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2006 - 08:36:58 AM »
Thank you Chryco for your replies,I am sure other readers are learning with them also.Why dont you like the diaphagm type?Seems like the dealers are marketing them as heavier duty than finger type?DO you know what i tell mopar for ordering the fork for this?SHould i just tell them it was for a 73-74 dart with an OD?thanks for the help :thumbsup:
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2006 - 09:00:46 AM »
MoparNut,
That's a Diaphram clutch (many release levers, unlike the Borg&Beck 3-fingers) and I remember from old racing stories that if you speed shift this design the levers go over-center and stick in the open position. Speed shifting is the art of not letting off the gas when pushing the clutch in, for those who don't know.  That design may be fixed now since many new cars use diaphram clutches now. It's easier to depress the clutch but you have to remove the big over-center spring under the dash on the clutch pedal.
    For my V-8s, I still use the Stock-Type 10.95 scalloped pressure plate. It bolts up to a 10.5" flywheel pattern and uses an 11" clutch disk. It also uses 3 roller weights inside the hat to add extra centrifugal force. If you want one of these, look for a clutch marked 10.95" with 3 or 6 roller weights, and get an 11" disk, you will also need small headed header type bolts to bolt it to the flywheel. A 10.5 is still cheaper, but I like the extra 1/2" of clutch material.
That street/strip clutch disk may be too grabby for nice stop and go driving, as in a car cruise, parade, Brice Road, etc.  I.M.O. Look for a good Heavy-Duty Type Borg and Beck Pressure plate and disk. Look in the Mopar Performance catalog or Mancini's web site for some ideas.
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2006 - 10:01:18 AM »
thanks again shelby,so would another option besides what you said,which i am checking out,be to use an OEM setup?do these perform well and any drawbacks with longevity ect?My car will be for occassional romping on it and no strip time,although i have a very heavy foot
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2006 - 11:35:42 AM »
Shelby is right on
 I have witnessed the clutch pedal staying on the floor on high rpm shifts , this is awesome for engine builders when the engine over revvs & goes Bang  :swear:
 I use 3 finger 10.95 " clutches on 130 tooth flywheels

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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2006 - 02:55:55 PM »
Yes MN, We ALL have heavy feet here!
Oem type would be okay but remember there are different organic lined disks just like there are brake pads. From the cheap brake copies from China that are made from cardboard and cartch fire, to the good ceramic type that outperform everything except powdered metal racing brakes.
Spend a little more now and you won't have to buy it twice.

Here's a link to Mancini Racing
http://store.yahoo.com/chucker54/manualtrans.html

Use that to see the stock style OEM Pressure plates and disks that go with each. Just remember to get a 10.5" or 10.95 not an 11" pressure plate. If  you buy the 10.95, remember to get the special bolt kit or use header bolts, and get the 11" Organic disk.  If you get the "roller design similar to production unit" type, you'll get the centrifugal assist that I mentioned. One of mine is a Mcleod roller design.
Hays has a 10.5 clutch kit on Summitracing.com for a little more than that auction you pointed out, but I don't think they offer the "roller design" like Mopar Perf has.
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2006 - 03:03:19 PM »
ARGH! so many choices,lol.I feel like that tv commercial with the guy that cant make up his mind on anything,lol.I dont see any 10.95 P plates on mancini,just 10.5 and 11's
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2006 - 04:46:19 PM »
would this be what i need although i may want to go with a more premium setup?thanks.I dont think the pic is right bacuase its the diamphagm type but it probably just a generic pic
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=RAM%2D88773&N=4294925134+4294839071+4294865886+4294908110+4294908104+115&autoview=sku
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2006 - 10:08:57 PM »
That one will work MN,  It lists the Borg & Beck as the type. Also a good price with a throwout bearing included. You need to be sure that a 10.95 fits your small block bellhousing. Mancini list the Scalloped clutch for a B/RB/HEMI. Use the Summit selections to narrow down your selections by putting in an engine size.
 
Some of those kits that include the throwout bearing, don't say if you get the complete throwout bearing or just the bearing. Here a pic of the complete throwout bearing. Some auto parts stores here only stock the bearing by itself.

The ones on Mancini's Site are puzzling. They say 11" scalloped, instead of 10.95 scalloped like Mopar calls it. The true 11" plessure plate needed that bigger 143 tooth flywheel. and won't fit a 130 tooth bellhousing like ours.
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2006 - 12:18:32 AM »
You are tons of help,thanks again.How do i make sure it will fit my bell?
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2006 - 11:43:50 AM »
Looking at all the application charts, I only see the 10.5 listed, so I would go with a 10.5 unless I was building a big block.  I just put together a small block-4sp combo to to put in a cuda to sell and didn't think to try my spare 10.95 pressure plate in it, to see if it fit.  So if I were you, Unless someone here says that they know a 10.95 clutch fits in a small block bell housing, I would go 10.5.   Mancini sells a roller type 10.5" if you want the centrifugal assist.
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2006 - 03:06:38 PM »
That'll work. It should be more than enought for your 340.
It probably isn't a roller assist unless it says something like this:
"Pressure Plate 10 1/2,
Designed as replacements for early V8 muscle cars. Both are roller designs similar to original production unit.  MOP-P4529140$209.95"

The way to tell a centrifugal assisted clutch is to shake the pressure plate. If it doesn't rattle, it isn't.
 
Too bad that we don't like the diaphram style pressure plates. I see complete clutch kits on ebay for $99.00
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Re: Dang i got bad ebay luck,4 speed OD questions
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2006 - 04:55:03 PM »
Ya tell me about it,I will still do some more surfing but thanks for all the help :thumbsup:
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