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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #870 on: August 14, 2015 - 01:41:37 PM »
Pictures of the whole car yet??


Sorry, for the delay - been busy on other projects.  Here's one of the car and one of my helpers.  The front is on jack stands so it looks a little high.

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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #871 on: August 14, 2015 - 01:51:10 PM »
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« Reply #872 on: August 14, 2015 - 02:26:52 PM »
Bucks and Shawgee... nice setups!
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #873 on: August 14, 2015 - 08:25:55 PM »
Sorry, for the delay - been busy on other projects.  Here's one of the car and one of my helpers.  The front is on jack stands so it looks a little high.




Looks great  :clapping: :2thumbs:
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #874 on: August 15, 2015 - 03:08:19 PM »
Sorry, for the delay - been busy on other projects.  Here's one of the car and one of my helpers.  The front is on jack stands so it looks a little high.




What color is that? Stock hemi Orange?
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« Reply #875 on: August 15, 2015 - 06:28:59 PM »
It's PPG single stage EV2. It's a little lighter than the original EV2 paint on some of the parts I have.  I really like this color as it seems to change shade depending on the type and amount of light - sometimes it's a dark reddish orange other times it's a bright, retina searing orange.
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #876 on: August 16, 2015 - 09:39:25 PM »
After reading through this thread more than a few times, taking many notes and sending a PM I decided on 265/40-18 on all fours and 18x9, 5.25 back space, 7mm offset on all fours. I had 16x7.5 and 255/50-16 on all fours before. I think 72bluNblu is right on the money suggesting 5.25 back space on a 9" rim. Thanks 72bluNblu. I have an inch clearance on front and back of each tire. My car is completely stock as far as suspension clearances. The new rims are U.S. Mag.

Nice!  :2thumbs:

Those look good! Glad everything fit ok, the fit was a little conservative but it's always better to have a little extra room than to have interference and have to figure out out how the make things fit after you've already spent a ton on new rims and tires.

Shawge, those LTIII's look great. Love those wheels.

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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #877 on: August 18, 2015 - 09:41:50 PM »
I'm currently having wheel woes. I got a set of AR Hopsters with the car and they don't clear good in the front. On a hard turn, if the front drops it will rub the fender lip up in the higher part of the fender. That could end up bending the fender out and causing some damage. Nearest I can figure the wheels are 16 X 8 with a 4" backspacing. Tires are 225-55-16.
I am looking at a set of Foose Legends with these specs.
18x7 4"backspacing and 224-45-18 front
18x9  5"backspacing  and  255-45-18 rear
This is what the tire place recommends, but I want to be sure.
It's a 70 Challenger Convert with stock rear springs that are not holding the rear up any extra. I have the front end cranked up and the rear with air shocks to compensate for the front. I'd like to put stock shocks back on the rear and drop the front with a slight rake (say 3/4 to 1").
Any thoughts or suggestions? Will the tire package I'm looking at accomplish the goal?
Thanks , Keith
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #878 on: August 18, 2015 - 09:47:48 PM »
I'm currently having wheel woes. I got a set of AR Hopsters with the car and they don't clear good in the front. On a hard turn, if the front drops it will rub the fender lip up in the higher part of the fender. That could end up bending the fender out and causing some damage. Nearest I can figure the wheels are 16 X 8 with a 4" backspacing. Tires are 225-55-16.
I am looking at a set of Foose Legends with these specs.
18x7 4"backspacing and 224-45-18 front
18x9  5"backspacing  and  255-45-18 rear
This is what the tire place recommends, but I want to be sure.
It's a 70 Challenger Convert with stock rear springs that are not holding the rear up any extra. I have the front end cranked up and the rear with air shocks to compensate for the front. I'd like to put stock shocks back on the rear and drop the front with a slight rake (say 3/4 to 1").
Any thoughts or suggestions? Will the tire package I'm looking at accomplish the goal?

What are you running for camber? More might help?
Brad
1970 Challenger 451stroker/4L60 auto OD
Barrie,Ontario,Canada
Proud to own one of the best cars ever made!!!!!

My restoration thread 
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=59072.0
 My handling upgrade post
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=73985.0

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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #879 on: August 18, 2015 - 09:54:35 PM »
What are you running for camber? More might help?

The camber is LF 0.6 and RF 0.1
Caster is LF -0.5  and RF -0.4

They said if I lowered the front end it would help alot.
Thanks , Keith
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #880 on: August 22, 2015 - 02:44:32 AM »
I'm currently having wheel woes. I got a set of AR Hopsters with the car and they don't clear good in the front. On a hard turn, if the front drops it will rub the fender lip up in the higher part of the fender. That could end up bending the fender out and causing some damage. Nearest I can figure the wheels are 16 X 8 with a 4" backspacing. Tires are 225-55-16.
I am looking at a set of Foose Legends with these specs.
18x7 4"backspacing and 224-45-18 front
18x9  5"backspacing  and  255-45-18 rear
This is what the tire place recommends, but I want to be sure.
It's a 70 Challenger Convert with stock rear springs that are not holding the rear up any extra. I have the front end cranked up and the rear with air shocks to compensate for the front. I'd like to put stock shocks back on the rear and drop the front with a slight rake (say 3/4 to 1").
Any thoughts or suggestions? Will the tire package I'm looking at accomplish the goal?

The camber is LF 0.6 and RF 0.1
Caster is LF -0.5  and RF -0.4

They said if I lowered the front end it would help alot.

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I don't even know where to start.  :eek7:

You don't need new wheels. You need a new tire shop, and a new alignment. In that order. That alignment is a disaster, and the camber bolts on the UCA's on these cars are easy to use. There's no reason they couldn't have done better than that unless your front suspension needs a rebuild. Lowering the car some would improve those numbers, but that's not the only problem. If the picture of your car is at it's current ride height, it's not sitting so high that they couldn't significantly improve the alignment at it's current height. You do need to set the ride height before you get a new alignment though if you're going to change it.

Positive camber and negative caster is for bias ply's. You have radials. So, the stock alignment specs need to go in the trash can, and you can start over with -.25* to -.5* camber, +3* caster, and 1/16" to 1/8" toe in. Your tire life, handling, and steering stability will all increase dramatically. Seriously, it will feel like a different car.

Not only that, but if you do that, more than likely your current wheels and tires will fit in the front and will no longer rub. I say that because I have 17x9's with 5" of backspace and 275/40/17's all the way around on my car with no rubbing. My front tires stick out an extra 1/2" further than yours do. An extra 1/2". That by itself should be all the clearance you need. I do run more camber, at -.9*, but even with -.5* you should be more than clear. I also run large torsion bars, at 1.12", so I will get less body roll than you, but STILL, you should have enough room to run your current wheels with a proper alignment.

Now, if you really want to upgrade to 18" wheels (and I don't blame you because the tire selection is MUCH better), the recommendations they gave aren't horrible. Personally I wouldn't bother with 225's up front, but I know some guys like to run the skinny front tires. If you don't, you could just run 18x9's with 255/40/18's on all 4 corners and be able to rotate tires. Or even 245/40/18's on 18x8's up front with 4.5" backspace and the 255/45/18's out back if you want to stagger and go with that tall back tire. The car will handle so much better with the wider front tires.

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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #881 on: August 24, 2015 - 08:29:20 PM »
Pretty much what they had told me at the alignment shop was with the front end so high, they can't get any more caster. The adjustment cams are all the way to their limits. So that being said the spec sheet has the caster in the red. I have bought the 18" wheels and tires and expect them in a few days. I will be taking the alignment numbers you gave and will have it realigned to those specs. I will get the ride height set to what I like and then have them do it. Just a quick question.. When yo showed the caster and camber specs, is it the same for both sides? and it the toe the total toe or is it per side. My guess is total, but I want to be sure. Thanks for the help and I'll be looking forward to the  new feel.   :cooldancing:
Thanks , Keith
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #882 on: August 25, 2015 - 04:32:54 PM »
Lotsaspins -- regarding your alignment... do you at least have the Moog offset UCA bushings installed?  Or else, any aftermarket UCA (FF, PST, QA1, SPC, or Hotchkis?   You'll never get an improved handling alignment with the 100% factory setup... at least, have the Moog offset UCA bushings installed (done in reverse sides)... that'll get you some negative camber with POSITIVE CASTER that you absolutely need.   Better yet, bight the billet $$ and get some aftermarket UCAs... they'll change your steering for the best by allowing POSITIVE CASTER with some NEGATIVE CAMBER.   The POSITIVE CASTER is mostly sought after for the improvement... the factory OE parts can't give those allowances.
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #883 on: August 25, 2015 - 07:38:09 PM »
Lotsaspins -- regarding your alignment... do you at least have the Moog offset UCA bushings installed?  Or else, any aftermarket UCA (FF, PST, QA1, SPC, or Hotchkis?   You'll never get an improved handling alignment with the 100% factory setup... at least, have the Moog offset UCA bushings installed (done in reverse sides)... that'll get you some negative camber with POSITIVE CASTER that you absolutely need.   Better yet, bight the billet $$ and get some aftermarket UCAs... they'll change your steering for the best by allowing POSITIVE CASTER with some NEGATIVE CAMBER.   The POSITIVE CASTER is mostly sought after for the improvement... the factory OE parts can't give those allowances.

Probably can't go that way. This car is for sale, but I drive it for personal enjoyment till it sells. With the new wheels, it should clear and be able to sit lower. That will also give me a shot at the different alignment specs shown above. I also have found that I only have these rub issues when the car has the wheels cut all the way and one of the front corners dips down hard. This was a 318 car and I think it has the 318 torsion bars still under it. With the weight of the 440 I am probably dipping down harder than it should. I will probably try to find some bigger torsion bars for a 440 and stiffen the front up. I don't know what size or part number to use, so if anyone has this info it would be of great help. I should be able to get some + caster with it lowered in the front and with bigger torsion bars and the tire change, I believe it will all come into place.
Thanks , Keith
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Re: E-Body Tire Combos
« Reply #884 on: August 26, 2015 - 03:13:05 PM »
Actually... when the front gets lowered, or the rear gets raised, you're taking positive caster... introducing more negative caster... not what you want to do.

Regarding TBs... the factory units, regardless sb or hd BB (even the six-pack and Hemi TBs), they are all relatively weak.  I suggest at least 1.10-1.12.. or 1.15... if you're not changing the rear leafs, as well.   don't be afraid of larger TBs.... I run 1.24 dia on my T/A (setup for competition pylon autocross/hi-speed AX/road course events... and they are just fine on the street/hwy.... of course, as with any driving, you'll always want to avoid bad rough roads, or take it easier over them.... regardless of whatever TBs you have.  the stiffer TBs will definitely reduce excessive front end dive.. especially more with a BB engine car.    Contact Firm Feel for your best choices... 1.12 is an easy choice.   Don't be afraid of the extra stiffness... you'll only wish the car had come that way from the factory.
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