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Offline PlumCrazy

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2006 - 07:35:59 AM »
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Any electrical engineers out there?



Reading thru this it appears that one is giving explainations of what the electrical system is doing, but no one is listening.  After reading this other question, I don't see how this voltmeter solves anything.

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2006 - 11:59:06 AM »
I guess I've been lucky as with all the mopars I've owned I've never had this happen. I'm still running the amp guage on my 2 Challengers although all of the wiring harnesses have been taken apart and the connections cleaned and inuslated from corrosion with di-electric grease to keep the moisture out. I'm also not running a bunch of extra's on the electrical system or else I would probably consider going with the volt guage.
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2006 - 09:45:26 AM »
If your wiring is void of all extras, did you uprade to Halogen headlights?  At least install the relays to bypass the headlight switch. That way all of that current stays under the hood.  My connector FRIED at night too.
I can draw the circuit and try to post it if anyone is interested.  2 fuses, 2 relays, 2 diodes, crimp connectors. a little soldering.

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2006 - 11:15:47 AM »
Yes please.


I can draw the circuit and try to post it if anyone is interested.  2 fuses, 2 relays, 2 diodes, crimp connectors. a little soldering.

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2006 - 02:13:35 PM »
Yes please.

Yes, yes please, I've been looking all over for something even a dummy like me could understand. :lol:

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2006 - 02:33:13 PM »
Rob,
  You are getting us in deeep here  :grinyes: , but , yes, that kind of stuff don't work well with the original bulkhead to fusebox connection. Explain away...  ;)

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2006 - 02:43:39 PM »
I'll post it in a day or two. I'm going to draw the circuit so you can all see how it works,  then take pictures of the 2 relays since I'm building one right now.
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2006 - 02:49:02 PM »
Thank you!!  :worshippy

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2006 - 10:50:10 PM »
I've got a great one for you. On my 71 'cuda project some time ago the amp gauge shorted and burned through the bulkhead. Someone thought in their infinite wisdom that they would cut the wires on each side of the bulkhead and run a new wire connecting the two through the firewall and REMOVING the fusible link. Needless to say this made things worse and he/she is lucking the car didn't burn to the ground, because I untaped the harness and found the insulation for the wires to the amp gauge was completely melted off! Luckily by some amazing miracle, no other wire was harmed, I could not believe it. I have replaced the affected wires and am replacing the amp gauge with another one that has been checked out. I have heard that a lot of mechanic shops like to perform this "band-aid" repair on cars with amp gauges which is really scaring when you stop and think about it. Also I have had 3 different amp gauges in my Challenger (becuase I keep chaning my mind on which insturment cluster to go with) and so far I have been lucky and have had no problems with any of them. My brother had a problem with is amp gauge in his Challenger and he ended up replacing the harness with a brand new 12 circuit painless kit.
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2006 - 11:21:23 PM »
Thanks for the link FY1 that guy's circuit is just like mine but he doesn't use the diodes across the relay coil. The relay COIL is just like a mini version of our ignition coil but missing the high voltage spark plug side. When the coil is released, the magnetic field collapses and sends a spike strong enought to shock your fingers and send a spark that could blow something.  i.e. my F.I. computer, stereo etc. who knows. The fix is the diode.
 
72hemi, thanks for your story. some people cause their own problems by only using one wrench when taking off their ammeter terminals; everything starts spinning around, then the grommet keeping the post centered is suddenly loose enabling the post to touch the surrounding metal. Always hold the bottom nut steady while loosening the top nut with a second wrench.
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2006 - 12:09:39 AM »
''Always hold the bottom nut steady while loosening the top nut with a second wrench."

Be sure do disconnect the battery first.  :bigsmile:

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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2006 - 02:19:11 PM »
From AUTOMETER's Website:

Voltmeter vs. Ammeter?

Auto Meter offers both, but for most applications a voltmeter yields a safer installation while providing more useful information on charging-system conditions.
 
Which is better for monitoring a vehicle's electrical system - a Voltmeter or an Ammeter?
Short answer: A voltmeter, by far.

Electrical guru Mark Hamilton of M.A.D. Enterprises points out that amperage is a measure of current flow, so an ammeter is actually a "flow meter" that's intended to measure current flow to the battery (under normal conditions) or discharge from the battery (in the case of alternator system failure). On a typical flow meter, all output must be directed through the device to obtain an accurate reading. In the ammeter's case, that means all the alternator output used to recharge the battery must first be routed through the ammeter under the dash. Which requires a heavy-gauge cable and presents a possible fire hazard. And the ammeter itself must be able to handle all this current flow, so it must have a higher current rating than the alternator's maximum rated output.

All this might be worth the hassle if the ammeter produced reliable information. But the ammeter can only measure the amount of current output to the battery for recharging purposes: When the alternator recharges a "low" battery, the ammeter indicates a high charge rate; with a fully charged battery the voltage regulator reduces alternator output, and the ammeter is supposed to indicate a very low charge rate. But how can you really tell the regulator has reduced alternator output because the battery is fully charged? Maybe a diode in the alternator rectifier failed, or the alternator belt slipped after it warmed up, just as if the battery were fully charged. Or maybe the meter indicates a medium charge rate most of the time-does the battery want this much or could the voltage regulator be overcharging the battery?

On the other hand, a voltmeter works like a fuel pressure gauge-but instead of measuring fluid in psi, the voltmeter measures electrical system pressure in volts. Just like a fuel pressure gauge, a voltmeter only needs to tap into a circuit; all the fuel (or electricity) does not have to detour through the gauge itself. Voltmeter installation is easy, quick, and safe: It hooks up to a fused, ignition-switched "off/on" source and does not require any modification of the circuit used to recharge the battery or any part of the alternator/regulator system. In short, the voltmeter installed at the dash will be a stand-alone circuit.

The voltmeter directly measures the result of charging-system performance. With normal alternator/voltage-regulator function, battery voltage is maintained at 14.0 to 14.5 volts-and this is reported directly by the voltmeter. In the event of alternator-system failure, voltage will be low and continue to drop as the battery discharges. In the event of an "overcharge" condition, the voltmeter will climb above its normal zone. In summary, there is no chance for misinterpreting a voltmeter's readings as can happen with an ammeter.

 
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2006 - 04:08:27 PM »
ok well it happened to me today driving along and the puff of smoke from the amp meter   stopped the car dead   i tried some field repair and was able to connect the 2 wires from the meter together and now the car will turn over but i seem to have no spark at the distributor it also took the fusible link at the battery down  is whats described by mad a good solution to this ? could it have taken  anything else with it when it went  ie voltage reg   coil  ??
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Re: Are you still running your amp guage?
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2006 - 04:36:55 PM »
Interesting.  :clueless:

 What you did is reasonable. If the meter crapped out, then connecting those two wires together does no harm. I'm concerned that the fusable link died too.  :22yikes: That means something definitely went south on you. You have a bad short somewhere. No telling what went out. Sorry I can't help more.  :-\ Any fuses in the fuse box blown? Any wires shorted to ground?

  Mike

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