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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006 - 11:26:45 AM »
its entertainment, and a good show on how not to build your own car.  I would not sink as much into buying their quickey cars ans those guys do at auction...

its kinda an insult if you think about it... Big Builder makes crap, sells at Big Price, and Braggs about how little time, and TLC they put into it...but ints nice to see them use Mopars...
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2006 - 11:53:09 AM »
It is always better at the tracks.
I respectfully disagree - it's obvious you like the track, but I get no enjoyment out of whatsoever. And neither do majority of my friends.

Before I continue though, please understand I'm pragmatic (some say cold-hearted.) I see people ready to change the world over an event that really didn't change much in the scheme of things. Racing deaths, though pointless (what death isn't pointless) account for such a small number of deaths and injuries that I find it infuriating that the media has created such a big deal over them. I mean in 2000 more people died from faulty airbag deployment - an infant was decapitated from one - than street racing. Yet the circus throws money and cop time over this "epidemic" that I just don't see.

Back to the track issue:
On the street -
- You can face off against who you want when you want.
- Nearest track to me: 37 miles/48 minutes/4speed traps, nearest open road 794ft/2 minutes/0 speed traps.
- You get more than 3 runs per night.
- You rarely have to wait in line for a face-off.
- Streets are still open when it rains, and for the die-hards like me, when it snows.
- Streets are open year-round.
- You don't need any special equipment to run street (I couldn't even run my stock viper under the rules at Budds Creek where sub 12-sec cars need a rollbar.)
- You can go to another street if you don't like the crew hanging out on the one your at.
- Street is still has a $0 race fee.
- Chances are insurance will cover damage on the street if you're smart about it.
- You can win tax-free money on asphalt.  
- Winners are absolute on the street, no "bracket" crap there.
- You decide the rules.
- One word - curves.
- And the street is still open at 3am on a Thursday night.

To be honest I would love to have a track to fit my style of racing, but it just doesn't exist. If I had the time and money to run out to VIR every weekend I might be more swayed, but its simply cheaper, easier, and more fun to stay at home.




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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2006 - 02:12:37 PM »
It is always better at the tracks.
I respectfully disagree - it's obvious you like the track, but I get no enjoyment out of whatsoever. And neither do majority of my friends.


Then there is no hope for you.  I pray to God that you do not one day end up killing somebody with your street racing.

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Before I continue though, please understand I'm pragmatic (some say cold-hearted.)

Haha.  I've been called the definition of "cold hearted, unfeeling bastard" before.  And yet, when I see a little girl lose her parents, due to the recklessness of some kid, I tend to get a little pissed off.

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I see people ready to change the world over an event that really didn't change much in the scheme of things.

Tell that to the little girl.

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Racing deaths, though pointless (what death isn't pointless) account for such a small number of deaths and injuries that I find it infuriating that the media has created such a big deal over them. I mean in 2000 more people died from faulty airbag deployment - an infant was decapitated from one - than street racing. Yet the circus throws money and cop time over this "epidemic" that I just don't see.

Equipment failure isn't in the same league as a bunch of kids deciding to drive at dangerous speeds in the middle of a town.  One is done by choice.

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Back to the track issue:
On the street -
- You can face off against who you want when you want.
- Nearest track to me: 37 miles/48 minutes/4speed traps, nearest open road 794ft/2 minutes/0 speed traps.
- You get more than 3 runs per night.
- You rarely have to wait in line for a face-off.
- Streets are still open when it rains, and for the die-hards like me, when it snows.
- Streets are open year-round.
- You don't need any special equipment to run street (I couldn't even run my stock viper under the rules at Budds Creek where sub 12-sec cars need a rollbar.)
- You can go to another street if you don't like the crew hanging out on the one your at.
- Street is still has a $0 race fee.
- Chances are insurance will cover damage on the street if you're smart about it.
- You can win tax-free money on asphalt. 
- Winners are absolute on the street, no "bracket" crap there.
- You decide the rules.
- One word - curves.
- And the street is still open at 3am on a Thursday night.

Whoopty friggen do.  I'd rather have the peace of mind that if I **** up, I'll only hurt myself, or possibly the guy racing against me, instead of killing some family of 4 on their way home from celibrating their oldest kid's birthday.  Because, eventually, you WILL **** up.  Everyone does.  It's only a matter of when and where.  And from your talk, your "where" will be on a street somewhere, where you will endanger innocent lives.

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To be honest I would love to have a track to fit my style of racing, but it just doesn't exist. If I had the time and money to run out to VIR every weekend I might be more swayed, but its simply cheaper, easier, and more fun to stay at home.

So?  Suck it up.  I may not like everything about the local tracks, the rules and regulations, but I follow them anyway, BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.


It all boils down to morals.  (Yes, I actually have strong morals.  Yes, I know it's surprising.)  Are you willing to risk killing an innocent traveler on the road, because you want to get some cheap thrills?  And, if you do, are you willing to face the consequences, or would you be a little coward, and try to weasel your way out of paying for what you did?

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2006 - 02:27:30 PM »
I agree with everything ghost mentioned above, 100%. Any guesses on why tracks require roll cages? Definately couldnt be for the fact that it could save your life running 12s at 110+mph or so by the time you hit the end of the track. That would just be rediculous...the rules are there for the safety of yourself and the other people...not to piss you off and make you spend more money. I just pray you don't take anyone else out when something happens.  :pullinghair:
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2006 - 03:13:13 PM »
 


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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2006 - 03:45:04 PM »
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2006 - 07:36:35 PM »
It is always better at the tracks.
I respectfully disagree - it's obvious you like the track, but I get no enjoyment out of whatsoever. And neither do majority of my friends.

Each to his own however don't assume anything, I have done my share of street racing. I have only hit the 1/4 mile tracks a few times in my life and yes I do enjoy it, however I used to race loads on street as well. Now before everyone throws a fit, we raced on a deserted piece of highway. At least there you are NOT racing down streets crowded with homes, kids and other people that want to have nothing to do with racing or speed. The only people to get hurt there are the people that are into that type of thing. That is the past.

I have no need to d*ck swing my whip next to someone on a tight road just because I want to say I have a faster ride. There will always be someone faster no matter what you do to your car. Don't get me wrong everyone likes to have some fun but I choose not to endanger other people that don't have any vested interest.

All that was being stated by everyone here is play it smart, your actions are your actions. Much like those kids street racing, when they took someone else's life there will and should be a price to pay. There was no one to blame there but those kids, it was their choice and no one else should have to pay for it.

Enough said, you either get it or you don't. For all that do, my hat is off to you. As for the rest that don't get it, one day you will and I hope you get back what you put in.

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2006 - 09:31:29 PM »
I have always felt guilty about some of the things I did with my cars growing up. Stories like this help me think about what jacka ss I was. Talking with my dad lately I've found he was worse and feels the same way I do. I thank God I only wrapped a car around a pole instead of hurting someone else. I am actually mortified about having a son :) If I'm lucky enough to have kids some day....maybe I'll try to get them in to 4x4s or something...

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2006 - 09:36:37 PM »
We have all been there. I don't think anyone here (speaking only for myself but there might be others) that build, rebuild and drive these old classic mopars without atleast the smallest urge to hit it every once a while. Just be happy you are still here to talk about it.

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2006 - 09:40:03 PM »
Agreed. I still raise hell on a weekly basis but I definately keep it out of town. I'm not too concerned with hurting myself. Just couldnt live with myself if I hurt someone elses family.

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2006 - 11:54:03 PM »
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crap, i wanted to use that... :drama:
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2006 - 10:48:24 AM »
Stories like this help me think about what jacka ss I was.

Exactly... We've all done stupid things in our lives, especially car guys. Hell my first car was a minivan *gasp* but that didn't stop me from racing the local richboys and their camaros and stangs (and ironically I didn't lose as often as you'd think....) Do I think these kids need to spend their lives in jail? No. Do I think these kids need a criminal record, need to lose their cars, their money, or their future? No. People, especially kids, make stupid decisions that hurt, and sometimes kill, others every single day. Parents kill their children, children kill siblings, and perfect strangers kill each other - all out of random acts of stupidity. Does it make them evil, heartless, SOBs that need to be beaten to death with stale meatballs? I don't think so.

I think there are people out there who chose to destroy others lives and its those that need to be punished. There are people who point a gun at someone else, think about it for a second, and then pull the trigger. People who rip apart lives just to prove to themselves they can do it. These are the people I worry about at night, not a duo of FnF fans.

Unless of course you can prove these kids ran 100mph down the road intentionally looking to run into someone - then 'd have a change of opinion.
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2006 - 06:14:41 PM »
Do I think these kids need to spend their lives in jail? No.
Most cases no, however they need to atone for what damage/hurt they have done. We are not talking an eye for an eye, we are talking righting their wrongs if they can. Yes, if they are two time losers that can't seem to find a clue and continue to hurt others, put'em away for a while and let them think about what they are doing to others.

Do I think these kids need a criminal record, need to lose their cars, their money, or their future? No.
Let’s break it up-
-Criminal record? If you take someone’s life by accident or not it should be noted somewhere. A life is something you just don't replace nor should be forgotten.
-Need to lose their cars? If they killed someone, if the surviving family wants it, I think so. I think out of respect for the people that lived and died this should be their choice to have it crushed.
-Their money? Well if you have insurance I am sure they will cover any material damage and maybe a little more. However it can't account for child care for every spouse lost for the child’s 18 years of life. I don't even want consider what it would mean if you didn't have any insurance. So yes they should lose a cut from every pay check they make for at least 18 years.
-Their future? Well an accident is an accident however this thread's example is based on people being reckless, which could have been avoided. If a life is lost then haven't you have stolen someone's future? How about the people that depended on them? How about their future? Again I think they should at least do something to prevent the same thing from happening to someone else's family. Public service, help needy people, etc.

People, especially kids, make stupid decisions that hurt, and sometimes kill, others every single day. Parents kill their children, children kill siblings, and perfect strangers kill each other - all out of random acts of stupidity. Does it make them evil, heartless, SOBs that need to be beaten to death with stale meatballs? I don't think so.
This is a way general statement you have made, so I will make one back. Your actions are your actions, if you choose to take a life because you had a bad day you need to re think life and need some mental help. Again they are your actions, this makes you accountable. Does it make them "evil, heartless SOBs," some of them, Yes it does if it wasn't done out of self defense. and "Be beaten to death with ......?".  If found guilty for a crime that was done out of hate, I think it should be much worse but I would leave that to the judges and surviving family.

I will say it again. YOUR actions are just that, if you make a mistake you that’s your bad. If you kill someone and it was an accident that’s up to the court system to review what happened find out what needs to be done to find resolution for all the affected parties. It is as simple as that. Bottom line you will pay in one form or another for your hasty actions, poor judgment or plain old stupidity (referencing the racers that killed someone).

This is the only way some people learn from the errors of their ways. It's called ownership.

Enough said.
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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2006 - 08:17:24 PM »
Do I think these kids need to spend their lives in jail? No.

Even though, due to the decision they made, someone has died?  If it had been a drunken driving accident, would you feel the same way?  It makes no difference to me how it happened.  2 people are dead, and a young girl is without her parents.  For that alone, the kids should pay, for the rest of their natural lives.

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Do I think these kids need a criminal record, need to lose their cars, their money, or their future? No.

Even though they KILLED 2 people?  What the hell is wrong with you?  Perhaps we should let drunk drivers who kill people in car wrecks go unpunished, as well?

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People, especially kids, make stupid decisions that hurt, and sometimes kill, others every single day. Parents kill their children, children kill siblings, and perfect strangers kill each other - all out of random acts of stupidity. Does it make them evil, heartless, SOBs that need to be beaten to death with stale meatballs?

Yes.  But then again, I'm a harsh, unfeeling son of a b!tch, who would have no second thoughts about executing a murderer myself, nor would I lose any sleep over it if I did.

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I think there are people out there who chose to destroy others lives and its those that need to be punished.

Such as these 2 racers.  They CHOSE to put other peoples lives at risk, with their irresponsible behaivior.  Therefore, they should pay for ir.

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There are people who point a gun at someone else, think about it for a second, and then pull the trigger. People who rip apart lives just to prove to themselves they can do it. These are the people I worry about at night, not a duo of FnF fans.

Perhaps you feel this way because you are just like those FnF fans...

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Unless of course you can prove these kids ran 100mph down the road intentionally looking to run into someone - then 'd have a change of opinion.

Doesn't matter if they meant to do it or not.  You could kill your spouse in anger, but because you didn't MEAN to do it, does not mean that you should not pay for the life which you have taken.


You say that these kids should not have their lives ruined because of their actions.  Why not?  What of the 3 lives directly affected by what was done?  2 people dead, and a little girl forever scarred.  2 lives gone, and one life that will carry a pain in her heart for as long as she lives.  What of them?  Should they not get justice?  Should they not be avenged?

For every action, there is a consequence.  In order to do an action, you must be willing to face that consequence.  You, apparently, are not willing to face what would happen should you injure, or even kill someone, while racing.  Therefore, do not race.  You are not adult enough... no, you are not MAN enough... to face what you might do.

I have no respect for you, or anyone like you.  You are beneath my contempt.

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Re: Ricer B@$t@rds!!!
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2006 - 08:35:17 PM »
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