Crush 'em all!!!

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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2006 - 06:53:28 PM »
When I was working for Ford I sold my Jeep Wrangler and started looking for a new car (i.e., something with a warranty so I could start to put time and money into the Challenger). I compared a lot of cars, and in the end bought a Hyundai Elantra because it had more than three times the warranty, a better repair record, and even with my supplier discount was $2,000 less than a comparably equipped Focus.

Detroit has a lot of problems. I would like to see them come back, but it's going to take a lot to make that happen. I went to North Carolina because, after studying Detroit's strategy for 7 years, I didn't see the likelihood of recovery in the near future.


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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2006 - 04:50:14 AM »
The current Japanese cars are very good quality cars but remember the `80`s?Most jap cars used crappy metal or poor prep and most would rust out within a couple years.Ever see a non-rusted `84 Subaru-not unless you live in Arizona maybe.I still try to buy American even though D-C is now german owned and my Neon has 123K+ with very few problems and only basic maintenence and wear items replaced.
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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2006 - 02:26:08 PM »
I had a Suzuki Samauri a few years ago it wouldn't go over 65mph on the highway!  It was fun to drive in the city but a POS.  I agree that the jap cars of today are of good quality but the american brands are making a comeback.  BTW my wifes DC Mercedes e320 (99) still runs well and all but I really can't do much of the maint on it, they say that the quality on these cars is spotty but they still command high dollars-not many american cars can still command $$$$ after 5 yrs.  Just my  :2cents:

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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2006 - 04:55:28 PM »
Although I have never owned a Japanese or European car, I have owned six Japanese motorcycles, four of them purchased brand new. (Good sample too: One Kawasaki, two Suzukis, and three Hondas. Two enduros, two motocross, one cruiser, and one sport bike.)

I am not sure why the Japanese manufacturers have such a reputation for quality if these bikes were engineered and built to the same standards as their automobiles. The Kawasaki was made from noticeably cheap material (but it was stolen before I could accurately assess it).

One of the Hondas has an intermittent fuel injection problem that doesn’t show up on the codes. Tinkered a little bit with it looking for loose connections but haven’t solved it yet. Even still, I love my Hondas.

The Suzukis were by far the worst. The RM’s clutch basket was made of such soft metal that after a few hours of use develops notches that deprive you of the neutral position. Very annoying. The VZ wiped a big end rod bearing at just under 10,000 miles. All other bearings were pristine, and I had changed the oil and filter regularly. I replaced the crank, rods and bearings, and sure enough, at just a little over 20,000 miles, the same bearing on the same cylinder wiped again.

One the flipside, my mother bought a brand new Chevy Cavalier three or four years ago and it has been very reliable, the only exception being faulty brake light sockets which were the subject of a recall and replaced under warranty. Absolutely no other issuers, she loves it, and drives it all over the place.

I had a ’85 W150 Power Ram 360c.i. I relentlessly abused in my youth that just wouldn’t quit. For example, driving it 5 miles with no coolant, and another time over 100 miles with no oil pressure indicated and less than 1/2 quart of oil in the pan. It kept running thousands and thousands of miles after those incidents. It had over 150,000 miles on it when I had to sell it. Betcha I’d still be driving it today if I still had it.

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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2006 - 05:03:14 PM »
Oops, blended two of the RM125 problems together. Both the clutch basket and shift drum were poorly designed. The shift drum is what wore out and made it impossible to put it in neutral; it would just go right into second (or first if you were down shifting). The basket issue made it difficult to disengage the clutch.

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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2006 - 06:36:56 PM »
I had a Suzuki Samauri a few years ago it wouldn't go over 65mph on the highway! 

I used to work for a Suzuki dealer; I don't think any of them would do more than 65 on the highway without some serious work.

I am not sure why the Japanese manufacturers have such a reputation for quality if these bikes were engineered and built to the same standards as their automobiles.

The Suzuki dealer was also a Honda dealer, and I know how they managed some of their glowing JD Power ratings. For example, every 86 Accord had brake squeal to some degree, and most of the new owners complained about it. Since Honda couldn't (at the time) formulate a brake pad that wouldn't squeal, they came up with this plan: we would only get paid for a warranty claim for checking out the problem if we wrote "No Problem Found" on the Repair Order. JD Power recorded that as a "No Problem," and up went Honda's rating.

Another issue is what Ford referred to a decade or so ago as "the Honda Effect." Basically, they determined that even when Honda owners found a problem with their cars, they were loathe to admit it. There was such a cult of Honda lovers that people who didn't like their Hondas felt as if it was somehow their fault.

That said, I've owned a wide variety of cars, and in general the Asian cars I've ownhave been of substantially higher quality. This has not always been the case; the Escort, for instance, went for 275,000 miles with nothing but wear item replacement, while my Subaru was a string of problems. The Hyundai is certainly a better value than anything in its class, but it remains to be seen whether it's a better car.


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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2006 - 11:28:57 PM »
    JD Power recorded that as a "No Problem," and up went Honda's rating.

Another issue is what Ford referred to a decade or so ago as "the Honda Effect." Basically, they determined that even when Honda owners found a problem with their cars, they were loathe to admit it. There was such a cult of Honda lovers that people who didn't like their Hondas felt as if it was somehow their fault.

 
:iagree: I know people that won't even consider an American car. They only remember their parents dealing with the crap detroit put out in the '70's. I remember it was considered normal to buy a new car and spend the first year having the dealer fix all the bugs under warranty.
That said..I only buy American.
I don't think people talk about their good experiences with today's American cars.
I've put 100k+ HARD miles on my Chevy Silverado Z-71 pick-up with no problems.
I'm even still on the original brake pads :thumbsup:
It still rides nice and tight and looks great.

p.s. Sorry for the Hijack...don't take our cars!
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Re: Crush 'em all!!!
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2006 - 05:53:27 AM »

I don't think people talk about their good experiences with today's American cars.


The thing that put me off American cars in general was working in the assembly plants, watching the UAW guys down fifths of liquor during a shift, go through quite a bit of pot, purposefully break things if they were in a bad mood, etc. One group assembling Blazers bragged to me that if a new guy was working too hard they'd warn him once, then beat the hell out of him if he didn't "straighten up." Another group assembling Caddies had a cubbyhole where they'd take turns sleeping it off during a shift. Knowing that most of the transplants have no UAW members is itself enough to make a foreign car my first choice.

But I still loved my Escort  :grinno:


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