Ouch! Hemi Cuda horror story...pick your restorer carefully!

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Offline Bondavi

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Ouch! Hemi Cuda horror story...pick your restorer carefully!
« on: July 19, 2006 - 09:18:31 PM »

Was shopping for a MacBook and came across this link via the Apple website for their Jeep with a Mac in it. In there I found this...

http://www.classicresto.com/mambo/content/view/60/48/

The car was recovered from a deadbeat restorer. There's also stories about other cars pulled from bad "restorers" and done right..

Yikes!  :eek7:
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006 - 11:40:05 PM »
It didn't say who had the car before ?  :dunno: Or who has it now ?

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2006 - 11:45:33 PM »

The shop that the website represents (Classic Restoration) is who is currently restoring the car after it was rescued from the New Jersey shop.

Butchery at the least.... :swear: :stomp: :pullinghair:
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2006 - 05:25:49 AM »
Man that's rough.  :(

The restoration of my 70 Challenger is just about finished. I was very lucky to find a restorer here in NH that has been doing only MOPAR muscle for 25 years. I dropped the car off last September and should have it before the end of this month. It's a total frame-off job but not numbers matching which may have helped the process time line. He certainly has done projects that have taken much longer than mine.

I visited the shop many times during the process (see http://www.linric.com/challenger/challenger.htm for more details and pictures). This helped me keep track of things.

I highly recommend this shop and all the references I checked with gave it between A- and A+.  :thumbsup:


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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2006 - 05:35:04 AM »
so was the drivetrain missing?
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2006 - 05:27:35 PM »
Wow... that's interesting.... because I'm in the middle of a BAD deal with the owner of that company.  Since it's not over yet, I'll try not to flame too much, but here's the story so far:

1 - I bought a restored grille for my 1970 Cuda clone from the owner (I think) of Classic Resto, Melvin Benzaquez.  I paid $2250 via PayPal.  The money went to Mel immediately, and we communicated via email a couple of times.

2 - In our email conversations, we both agreed that a 1970 Cuda grille was a rare and fragile piece, and would need to be packed in an extraordinary manner to avoid being destroyed by the shipper.  I offered to send him an empty container, or pay extra for supreme crating.  He graciously offered to build a sturdy wooden crate, and I accepted.

3 - The grille arrived in a timely manner, via Fedex Ground (green logo truck) in a massive plywood crate that must have weighed 100 lbs. 

4 - Inside the crate was the remains of a grille that had been utterly smashed, and a few of pieces of bubblewrap measuring about 36" x 12".  The bubble wrap appeared to not have been attached to the grille with tape at all.  Here is what I saw when I opened the crate:



and a couple more...







As you can see, the heavy parking light assemblies were not removed from the grille, and since these weigh more than the grille itself, they acted as counterweights, tearing the grille apart as it bounced around inside the crate, "protected" by the small amounts of bubblewrap that you can see in the pics.  I've had no less than three grilles shipped to me with no problems, and they were all in flimsier crates than Mel made, BUT they were all wrapped in a giant hotdog of bubblewrap that took a half-hour to unravel after getting it out of the crate. 

I contacted Mel about the trashed grille, and I just assumed that he told the guys in his shop to build a crate and ship that grille, and some inexperienced employee thought that the grille would be fine like that.  He was bummed, and didn't act sketchy or anything, so it WAS probably just that, a newbie employee....  But he DID say, "It's insured, I'll make Fedex pay for it." 

I told him, "I doubt Fedex is gonna pay for it, since the shipping container was intact and undamaged.  It looked like the items weren't secured correctly inside the container, and that's not Fedex's fault."  Diplomatic, yes?

He filed a claim with Fedex, and they issued a call tag to send the grille back to Mel.  I removed the parking light assemblies, and bubblewrapped them individually, and secured them inside the crate so that they would do no further damage, and then carefully gathered the shrapnel that used to be a $2000 grille, and bubblewrapped what I could, secured it, and Fedex came and got it, and left me with a little call tag slip, and no airbill.

After a while, when I emailed to see if I was gonna get a refund to my PayPal account, he said that he never got the grille back!  I know I didn't write his address wrong, because I didn't write it down at all!   HE generated the ship-to-address by issuing the call tag, so I didn't even get to fill in and/or verify his correct address!  Fedex shows that the package was delivered, no signature verification required, to an address in Tempe, AZ (his grille restorer, perhaps?).  I don't know why Mel would have issued a call-tag with an incorrect address, but all I know is that:

1 - Mel has my $2250.
2 - I have no grille.

So I don't know if anybody's ripping anybody off here, and I don't really care.  It's in the hands of my business managers now.  One day I'll get a call from them telling me that they got my money back, or that Mel's out of business, or that it really WAS a Fedex screwup, or some such garbage.  I bought a perfect grille for $2000 at Spring Fling, so I'm all set for grilles anyway...

So, that was the last thing worth more than a couple hundred bucks that I bought on eBay.  Now, if I buy something and actually receive it, it's like Christmas!

Crap like this is why my next car is a 2006 Ford GT instead of a 1970 Challenger convert.... with the $100k clone cars, VIN swappers, and junk like this ruining the hobby, I'm finding that I'm not getting much entertainment value for my Mopar dollar these days!

Sorry to be bitter, and no premature condemnation of Mel and Classic Resto intented, but judge for yourself.  If someone paid you $2250 for a 35-year-old piece of fragile plastic that was six feet long, would you have personally supervised the packaging of this piece, and would you have packed it like these pics show?

So, yeah, pick your restorer carefully alright....
« Last Edit: July 20, 2006 - 06:06:17 PM by cudacharlie »
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2006 - 05:58:19 PM »
Sounds like a real a..... :horse: Hope he gets what he deserve and you get your money back :cheers:
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2006 - 06:34:15 PM »
ouch, sorry to hear about that. so you now essentially have a 4500 dollar grill since you bought it twice.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2006 - 06:46:52 PM »
ouch, sorry to hear about that. so you now essentially have a 4500 dollar grill since you bought it twice.

 :iagree: :roflsmiley: :misbehaving:

Actually, that makes me feel a little better....  I'd rather have "paid too much for a grille" than "gotten ripped off for a grille!"

And anyway, who knows?  Mel may be waiting for a settlement from Fedex for all I know, and I may wake up one morning to a refund, so "it ain't over till it's over"....  and besides, like they say, it's only money, it's only a grille, it's only a car...  so... big deal.

The whole experience just made me calm down a little and not be such a desperate freak to get my hot little hands on a fresh grille.  I just HAD to have it, even though it was across the country, and I got bit.  If I'd just waited, I'd have found the grille at Spring Fling anyway, and all would be copacetic.

Oh yeah, this WAS an eBay deal, but I'm trying to resolve it with Mel before getting all negative feedback on his a$$... AND, in an effort to be cool, I offered to eat a couple hundred $$$ worth of the shipping charges, if he would just refund, like, $2k.  So I'm trying to be understanding and philosophical and all "Golden Rule" about it, and not be getting all bent out of shape at the guy, cause it might just have been an employee brain fart (I've seen a few, believe me!), and anyway, what comes around, goes around, ya know? 

If I'm a deenk to this guy, then the next guy will be a deenk to me, right?

So, patience is a virtue when buying 'rare' items, although it can be tough to reign in the excitement you feel when you finally find that NOS sidemarker lens or whatever!  (been there, done that, too many times....)

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2006 - 07:57:27 PM by cudacharlie »
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2006 - 08:17:38 PM »
That was a sad story!   :walkaway:   Hope it all works out for ya!    :2thumbs:

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006 - 11:51:20 AM »
-- UPDATE --

Mel from Classic Resto must have a buddy that reads Moparts, cause about five minutes after posting a similar thread on there asking, "was I ripped off?", the phone rings, and it's Mel, and all of a sudden he's got answers for questions like, "why did the grille go to Tempe?" (it's his brother's Fedex acct and Fedex returned the grille to his address), "you expect Fedex to pay that claim?" (his wife's a lawyer and she thinks she is succeeding in making them pay), and "will I get my money or a grille?" (yes, I'll refund your money).

Dude was like, "you gotta post on Moparts about me, you can't pick up a phone?  I don't check my email that often, so I just got your message!" 

And I'm like, "I'm supposed to chase you for six months looking for progress reports on a claim that any shipping company with half a brain would deny?  I'm supposed to have faith that your lawyer wife is going to be able to beat Fedex's claims dept on a VERY iffy claim?  And, anyway, why am I waiting for Fedex to pay your claim in order to get my money back?  Is my refund contingent on you getting the claim paid?  What if Fedex denies the claim in the end, will I not get a refund?  As to email, uhhhh dude, eBay is a business conducted completely via email.  If you're gonna sell $2k items on ebay, you better be able to check your email every day.  Do you check your phone messages every day?"

So, maybe I didn't get beat (yet) but that's the last grille I buy on eBay.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2006 - 11:53:09 AM by cudacharlie »
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006 - 12:37:55 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2006 - 01:11:01 PM »
That's good to hear you may be getting a settlement, CudaCharlie! :2thumbs:  Be sure to keep us posted. :2thumbs:
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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2006 - 11:19:05 AM »
Judgester, are you located in NH? I wasn't sure that Chuck was even still in the resto business. He quit going to shows awhile ago, and doesn't seem to do any buying or selling anymore, and hadn't seen any advertisements from him lately. He always did nice work, have seen a lot of his cars over the years.
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2006 - 11:53:49 AM »
something people should know is that you CAN reverse a PayPal payment. 
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