Author Topic: Gear Vendors Drama - UPDATED 3/20/07 (Read 35158 times)

Carlwalski · « **Reply #105 on:** June 19, 2007 - 05:56:47 AM »

Thanks Robb, I highly doubt I'll see a cent. I am getting this new module "free".

I just want it all to be over with, I really do. I should have just kept Lucy stock standard trans wise.

Oh well, you live and learn.

Choper - I'll let you know how it goes. Who knows, I maybe blown away by the new module and it's performance, doubt it but who knows anymore with this.

choper · « **Reply #106 on:** June 19, 2007 - 07:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Dave-R on June 17, 2007 - 01:42:03 PM

This is what I know.
A mate of mine was waiting on an order and the secretary let slip on the 'phone that they were awaiting a shipment of overdrives from the UK.

Now. I have a feeling they are shipped dissembled, possibly because of US import restrictions or maybe tax reasons? Once at Gear Vendors they are assembled.

I am not aware of any difference between my GV unit and any other UK Laythingy unit.

Hi Dave-R

I telephoned Overdrive Repair Services in the UK who tell me that the GV Overdrive is still part made in the UK by GKN, Unit 5 Kingsbury Business Park, Sutton Coldfield, B76 9DL. Telephone: +44-1213-131606

I say part made because GV now make some of its own parts (such as the output shaft) which differs from the standard UK items. All electrical controls are USA designed. Overdrive Repair Services can and have overhalled GV overdrive units in the UK........... that saves a lot of $/� in shipping !

Dave-R · « **Reply #107 on:** June 19, 2007 - 08:58:10 AM »

They make a short adaptor to go between the stock output shaft and a chevy UJ if i remember the kit right.

Dave-R · « **Reply #108 on:** June 22, 2007 - 09:38:28 AM »

Carl!

This baby might do what you want. But it might be too smooth.

I would bet it will be next best thing for new cars though.

http://www.zeroshift.com

Still under development but it is looking good so far. When development has finished all manual gears will be shifted electronically.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #109 on:** June 22, 2007 - 01:17:11 PM »

Looks a bit too tech for me but good to see new pieces out there I guess. I think this time I'll wait until all or any bugs have been sorted. But, it looks too modern for my tastes. I couldn't even see if the clutch is needed on the website.

Thanks for the heads up all the same.

Dave-R · « **Reply #110 on:** June 23, 2007 - 03:20:05 AM »

I think there will be a clutch. If not how would it pull away from a standstill?

No traditional shift lever though.

It will end up with a "up" and "down" paddle shift on the steering column (like some current semi automatics) and you will be able to shift at full throttle without ANY drop out of power to the rear wheels.

So like an automatic but no torque convertor and is half the size/weight and the shifts are completely seamless.

It actually saves fuel and cuts emmisions. Which is the selling point to the auto manufacturers. But it also gives you better acceleration, enhanced stability in cornering and reduced clutch wear.

They are using new Mustangs and Corvettes as test mules. Which suggests to me they are aiming to develop this for the USA manufacturers.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #111 on:** June 23, 2007 - 08:41:14 PM »

Definitely sounds cool. I guess with some extra money and time you could basically get them close to the rally cars. Those things are amazingly quick and seem to hold up well to the abuse they get. Sorry, my bad, I was suppose to or should of put "couldn't even see if the clutch is needed after 1st gear". Get the same bite of a manual car and the shifting of a modern performance automatic. I'd still prefer a full manual. More fun (to me) and you can do more things, vary your shifts, double clutch, heel toe, clutch rev (fake double clutch) while all is not necessary and may not be good for your setup (excessive clutch wear etc) it is always an option if you want to do it. Plus human error is good.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #112 on:** June 28, 2007 - 03:40:50 AM »

Quote from: Dave-R on June 23, 2007 - 03:20:05 AM

I think there will be a clutch. If not how would it pull away from a standstill?

No traditional shift lever though.

It will end up with a "up" and "down" paddle shift on the steering column (like some current semi automatics) and you will be able to shift at full throttle without ANY drop out of power to the rear wheels.

So like an automatic but no torque convertor and is half the size/weight and the shifts are completely seamless.

It actually saves fuel and cuts emmisions. Which is the selling point to the auto manufacturers. But it also gives you better acceleration, enhanced stability in cornering and reduced clutch wear.

They are using new Mustangs and Corvettes as test mules. Which suggests to me they are aiming to develop this for the USA manufacturers.

Just saw it on our local current affair show. Didn't know it was a New Zealander who came up with the idea and who designed the whole thing in Auckland, very cool! Looks like it's just another fancy auto though, no clutch and more than likely floppy paddles on the steering wheel. They said it shifts at 200 milliseconds or something, the time is the same of that of the F1 street sequential in Ferrari's Enzo etc, so, I'm not sure why everyone is saying they are "new" or fast. Must be the design which looks very simple yet no one did it.

Dave-R · « **Reply #113 on:** July 02, 2007 - 08:08:59 AM »

It is not an automatic. It is a manual gearbox that shifts automatically. That is why it is interesting.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #114 on:** July 02, 2007 - 08:36:30 AM »

Quote from: Dave-R on July 02, 2007 - 08:08:59 AM

It is not an automatic. It is a manual gearbox that shifts automatically. That is why it is interesting.

Eh, it's not a 3 pedal MANual.

Just another fancy 2 pedal electronic "semi auto".
Still no skill, push up or down to change gears, definitely not what I'd call a true "manual".

Still, it looks good and seems very quick, wonder how long before we see it in high end production cars.

Dave-R · « **Reply #115 on:** July 02, 2007 - 09:34:33 AM »

You are still changing gears manually. I shouldn't have used the word "automatic".

All you are doing is shifting gears with a switch instead of a lever.

The big difference being that the drive is always connected. Unlike a normal manual gearbox where you have to push the clutch in and loose drive to the rear wheels.

It is a million miles from being a semi-automatic. Do you not understand the principles involved?

I raced a single seater many years ago and even though I have been brought up with a manual gearbox I would have been very, very happy indeed to have something like this in a race situation. Dipping the clutch is counter-productive in all kinds of racing. On a circuit it would mean later braking and faster acceleration out of a bend. That is what racing is about. I guess you could even change gears during a corner with this set-up?

My mate is still racing (he bought a used Championship Touring Car) and he is very excited about getting his hands on one in the future. I doubt they will be out anytime soon though.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #116 on:** July 02, 2007 - 11:52:17 AM »

I "kind of" understand it but to tell you the truth, I went off tiptronics, semi -autos what ever you want to call them after owning a couple myself. To me and any driving enthusiasts, semi-auto, auto or paddles they're all just automatics, not anal descriptions but two pedals = auto. Nothing will beat 3 pedals for pure driving skill and enjoyment. I've had a couple of tiptronics, one on the steering wheel and one on the shifter, they're OK but still........ $:-\$

I do understand the principle of this new system maintaining drive to the rear wheels all the time but you can do that in manuals (power shift) and have the added bonus of a snappier launch from dumping the clutch. But, that takes it's toll on the trans and is probably more suited to straight line. Manuals are always quicker around the track same car vs same car different transmissions. The ability for the driver to have 100% control is what it's about. All these autos out now shift nice but they always have a delay every now and then and won't shift down at certain rpms as this is a design protection as far as I'm aware.

At the end of the day you can't heel toe, double clutch, fake clutch, dump, side step, etc, etc, in an automatic and that is what does it for me. I've had it with autos lol. Nice for a cruiser with nice straight line pep but yeah, I know you know what I mean so I'll leave it there.

Dave-R · « **Reply #117 on:** July 03, 2007 - 05:24:03 AM »

Quote from: NZ440R/T on July 02, 2007 - 11:52:17 AM

Manuals are always quicker around the track same car vs same car different transmissions.

Quick. You had better tell the F1 guys that they have been doing the wrong thing for years.

Carlwalski · « **Reply #118 on:** July 03, 2007 - 06:11:22 AM »

I meant road cars. F1 is as high tech as we get, that's why it's such a "joy" to watch.

The sooner they bring them down to earth the better......give me V8 Supercars or rallye anyday.

Madmax440 · « **Reply #119 on:** July 16, 2007 - 07:23:53 PM »

Don't want to sound stupid here (that is usually half my battle), but isn't gear vendors under/overdrive system the same as I have in my Corvette

I have a 1985 manual 4+3 Trans. It is basically is manual shift standard gear ratio until I press the overdrive button on the console and it gives me an extra set of gears with tighter ratios.

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