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Offline pink340

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340 suggestions
« on: August 15, 2006 - 12:45:21 PM »
Hi I am looking into building up a 340  It's a 70 block 10 over  good flowing j heads and a Edelbrock LD 340 intake  Just looking for some input as far as good pistons and a cam to work with the intake and heads.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006 - 12:57:02 PM »
Speed Pro forged pistons  or any other custom piston like Diamond Ross JE are good
 Can needs a Ton more info , headers or manifolds, what intended use street, strip , both ....gearing.... RPM range   Solid or hyd grind or  roller, ....

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006 - 01:11:01 PM »
I plan on using the car for just street something to kick ya in the pants . but not overkill.. I have hedmann competiton headers and a flowmaster 40 series exhaust in the car now so I would like to go with that  car also has auto trans and 3;55 gears . Probably go with just a hyd cam would be nice to have the whole roller setup but Im on a bit of a budget ..  I don't know much about the Ld 340 intake... are they any good? 

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006 - 10:55:04 PM »
LD 340 intakes are one of the best ever
for a great Hyd cam I would look at www.Englecams.com , K 56 grind usually works well for street stuff

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006 - 06:19:24 AM »
Yeah, that intake's a gooder.  Cp doesnt like them, but I use the KB hypereutectics a lot with great success. They are a bit lighter than the TRW or Speedpros, and will take anything except NOS or boost in terms of abuse. I think they are a little cheaper too, but that depends on who's buying what from where. They are also cheaper to internally balance in many cases.

As far as cams go, also lots of personnal preference. Comp Cams and Crane are my 2 "first choice" brands. For a near stock idle, power brakes, manifolds, and good power, I like the XE268 Comp, or the Lunati VooDoo 268 grind. For a little more lumpy sound and stronger midrange power, the old school 270H, or the XE274H will do great too.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006 - 08:56:53 AM »
hey guys thanks for all the help.. Im open to any suggestions I don't know a whole lot about this stuff..

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006 - 09:04:39 AM »
I have always made a few more ponys with cams that are designed for mopar engine , Comp & crane copy their grinds from the chev catalog
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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006 - 10:26:50 AM »
Thanks chryco I checked out Engle's website.. I think I will probably go with one of them There prices are also good too!

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006 - 11:18:28 AM »
I will never use a comp cam again, ever.

As far as KB's, I am betting Chryco doesn't like them for the same reasons I don't. He has seen them crack, the ring lands come off, and the skirts break, a lot more than even a stock cast piston.

Also, keep in mind that on a street motor, you are better off with a heavier piston, like a TRW. I have a set of TRW's, that are 12 years old, and are about to go into they're third 318.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006 - 01:34:08 PM »
the problems people run into with KB pistons are mostly due to not reading / folowing directions! ive seen them break , had them break also. if your bores arent clearanced for the extra expanshon of a hyperetuctec, and your rings arent gaped for it you will end up with busted slugs KB even tells you that. I have had great luck with them when properly done. they are MUCH lighter than TRW pistons and can spin up and back quicker due to the lower rotating mass.. I wont argue with dimples tho that the TRW forged pistons are extremely durable and last forever. I have a set of stock replacement forged TRWs in a 30 over 340 with a stock 71 318 crank and rods. its always run well. broke a rocker at 6500 once, poped the lifter out of the bore an trashed the stock rods n crank (you just cant shut it off in the middle of the pack without wrecking ). pulled it appart an stuck the 318 ones in with new bearings and gaskets never a problem. the 318 crank is also like 3 lbs lighter than stock forged cranks.3lbs makes a bigg diff on a circle track car.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006 - 05:42:12 PM »
I never have had problems with KB's untill the engine starts to wear, you cant keep those perfect tolerances forever!

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006 - 07:09:04 PM »
Make sure you're machine shop has a Torque Plate for a sb Mopar. If they don't, walk away.

Lunati Voodoo, smaller stuff, no .904 tappet dia. ramp speeds, for this small a cam, no extra power unless you're modifying your seat angles on the heads(unlikely).

As light a Piston as possible, preferable forged, try ARIAS # E4721020, "0" offset pin, Free power !

LD340 's a winner.

340's like a slight overbalance, say .5 %, even street, better midrange response, free power again.

Nuff said

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2006 - 06:46:09 AM »
   The only problems with KBs I'd had were the very first set, I failed to read the ring gapping literature. So I had to pull it apart and replace the rings for free. No damage, just I got nervous because I knew it was wrong. I've seen teh tops pull off them, that's because someone wasnt as nervous as me, and let the gaps stay too small. The ring butts, and then siezes, and the top gets pulled off the piston, or ting lands break. That's not the design or material's fault. I dont blame parts when I screw up...lol.. I have 5 engines with them right now, one uses a 125hp NOS shot. It has over 500 passes, the last 150 or so on the bottle (against his builder's advice :banghead:). Others have over 30K miles in various vehicles. 3 street/strip cars, and a truck. No failures, no noise, no problems.
     Same deal with the cams. If you build enough engines now a days, you will not lose a cam. I can wipe a lobe off anybody's by ignoring certain things that in the past you could ignore. There were few "MUST DOs" when I started doing this stuff. Good geometry, the right lube, getting it to fire right away and geting the rpms up. Now, it's measure the lifter crown (if you can) and lifter bores, check for lifter rotation in the block, remove the inner spring(if equipped), make sure the geometry is on from the offshore $100 roller rockers, measure preload for the right pushrods, use the right lube on the cam lobes and only lifter bases (not the sides of the lifter...), use the right oil (not the "emissions" std motor oil stuff) and supplement if needed, preoil and make sure it fires on the first turn and the speed is high enough. If all that's right, the cam will not wipe a lobe. Whether MP, Comp, Engle, Crower, or Edelbrock grinds the lobes.
    From what I understand, there are only 2 cam blank manufacturers for every cam grinder in the US. "Soft cams" are a figment of ones imagination fueled by guys "passing the buck" because they missed something.  Bad lifter crowns are a reality...not bad cams. Cam lobes are not ground "for a manufacturer" ala GM, Dodge, Studebaker. They are ground for lifter diameter now. I've seen .904 lifter Chevy and Ford cams. Ramp speeds cam be faster for the same "size" lobe with the bigger diameter, so the others put in the larger size. Every lobe has a rate of lift determined by the lifter diameter and type, a "bump" to take slack form the valve train before the real lift begins, a max lift, and a few degrees on the closing side of the lobe to ease the valve onto the seat. Make doesnt matter. For my cam choices, I want accuracy. MP cams stick now. try degreeing more than a couple. The worst was so far off in manufacture, I had to use an offset key in the crank plus a bushing to get the thing to the recommended installed centerline. It was ground 9° retarded. I havent used an MP cam since. Not because the grinds are bad, because the low bidder approach isnt getting the accuracy I want. A Comp, I may have to move a max of 2°. Most I never have to move at all. Same with Crane. I'll use and Engle at some point..I just havent yet. If they degree good, I consider them a "good cam". The lobes I spec by choice, the manufacturer has to put them in the right spots.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2006 - 11:13:54 PM »
Anyone running any kind of boost with any of these pistons? ie - Nitrous, Super Charger or Turbo.

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Re: 340 suggestions
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2006 - 09:51:52 AM »
if you are going to boost it Use a Forged piston or get a few spare blocks

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