Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?

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Offline EFI-Cuda

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Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« on: September 22, 2006 - 09:13:46 AM »
A few years back, I posted my conversion to Ford EFI on this message board.   I kept hearing that I'd have to get a stand alone computer system to make serious engine modifications.  Since I was prepared to dish out the big bucks for an aftermarket computer system anyway, I figured that I had little to lose in trying out a junkyard computer and wiring harness first.  If it didn't work, I'd get an aftermarket programable system anyway.  I used a computer and wiring harness out of a 1989-1993 5.0 Mustang, and with some trick wiring and a custom distributor, it has run great for years.




Since Vortech made a supercharger kit for the Magnum motor, I switched my Cuda to the late model Magnum accessories.   This made it possible to bolt on the supercharger.   In Vortech's design, the supercharger uses the same serpentine belt that the rest on the accessories.   So switching to the Magnum accessories was a must.   With a little modification and customization, I finally got everything installed.



I am still working out the engine tune, so I have no track times or horsepower number's yet.

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006 - 09:16:20 AM »
nice.........now get back to work   :bigsmile:
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006 - 09:18:17 AM »
That looks BADD ASS!!  I would love to try something like that on the hardtop!!   :drool:

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006 - 11:24:37 AM »
That's awesome!!!!!!!!! :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :cheers:
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2006 - 11:34:47 AM »
 :wow: That looks bad a$$,wish i knew how to do something like that,way cool.  :ylsuper:
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2006 - 11:44:11 AM »
i am now, more scared of you and your car than i ever was of my dad. :faint:

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006 - 11:47:44 AM »
That is awesome! I would love to have a G-Machine and Supercharge it or turbocharge it! Good job!

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2006 - 11:58:44 AM »
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2006 - 12:45:07 PM »
There was a write up in one of the mags a few years back, there was a fellow who was told a GM tuned port ECM wouldnt work. His ran fine. I think as long as the injectors and throttle body are sized properly, the signals will be similar, and it should run fine. With the blower tho, I'd probably try to find a programable ECM and have a chip burnt for it. Or grab a Mega Squirt setup...

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006 - 01:08:33 PM »
Very nice!   :2thumbs: 
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006 - 01:12:36 PM »
Well, we'll know soon enough whether or not I will need a custom chip or a stand alone ECU, but I don't think that I will need either of those.   There are a ton of modified supercharged Mustangs out there that all run with the stock computer and stock electronics. (Assuming the injector size, fuel system and etc. have been properly upgraded.)    I am following the advice and guidance of Vortech Engineering and Ford Racing Development to help me with the set up.   Tuning the engine properly and safely should result in a fun combination.   Improper tuning will likely result in an engine rebuild.   Give me about a week to get my MSD ignition boost retard installed along with my boost and fuel pressure gauges and then I'll be able to start tuning the engine.





« Last Edit: September 22, 2006 - 01:15:08 PM by 1974Cuda360 »
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2006 - 12:03:05 AM »
Very cool indeed and a great looking car to boot !
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2006 - 12:08:01 AM »
Can you please, please post pictures of the serpentine swap w/o ac? I want to do that on my LA/Magnum 360, It totally slipped my mind they made a s/c kit for magnums, can i ask what the vortech kit cost? Any major modifications needed? Better fuel system?

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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2006 - 01:41:42 AM »
Magnum Accessories
Unfortunately, I don't have any photos of my serpentine belt set up (without a/c) before I added the blower.   If you want to run the magnum accessories on an E-body, I recommend that you fine a Dodge van in the junkyard with a Magnum motor and pirate everything including every nut and bolt.  You will need the following:

- Timing cover
- water pump
- alternator
- alternator bracket (without a/c)
- belt tensioner
- power steering pump
- Power steering pump mounting bracket from a Dodge van (not a Dodge truck)

A Dodge truck's power steering bracket will make the power steering pump hit the battery tray.   The Dodge van's bracket will clear the battery tray.   The E-body's high pressure power steering hose will not mount to the Magnum motor's power steering pump.   I took the E-body's high pressure power steering hose and the Magnum motor's high pressure power steering hose to a shop that makes such hoses, and I had a hose made to fit.   

Hooking up the alternator required me to run a 4 guage wire from the postive stud on the alternator directly to the starter relay.  Running this 4g wire renders the factory amp gauge inaccurate (at least more inaccurate than it was) I could be wrong, but I think this is because all the current in the alt is not going directly to it anymore.  This is necessary because you don't want the Denso's high output to damage any of the vehicle's wires that were only designed for a 50 amp alternator.

The Denso alternator upgrade was a huge improvement, and I would recommend this to anyone that needs additional electrical power.   I am running an electric fuel pump, a computer system, power windows, dual electric fans and two stereo amps in the trunk.   Neither Cuda's original 50 amp alternator nor a 65 amp alternator that I got off of a 1977 Dodge van could keep up.   The 130 amp Denso is sweet.

Now, for the tough part of the Magnum accessory swap.   I had to use the Magnum's harmonic balancer.   The older LA style balancer is thicker and didn't allow the crank pulley to line up properly.  When using the Magnum's balancer, you will either need the correct B&M flex plate for the Magnum motor's balance or have the correct weights welded to your torque converter for the Magnum motor's balance.


Supercharger
Vortech doesn't make a supercharger kit for E-body mopars, so you will have to be creative.   I used Vortech's mounting hardware for a Dodge application, and I used Vortech's Fuel Management Unit for a Ford application since I am running a Ford computer and a return style fuel system.   The supercharger is a Vortech V-2 SQ unit.   I got it used from a guy that was using it in a Dodge truck.


Fuel System
A supercharger adds extra air to a motor.   If you do not add the extra fuel to the motor that the motor needs, you will cook the engine and damage it.   If the engine runs lean under boost, it will detonate and detonation with boost in the motor is extremely destructive.   THEREFORE, do not be cheap on the fuel system.   I upgraded to Accel 40 lbs injectors and I run an Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump that is capable of supporting 800 supercharger horsepower.   I use #8 fuel inlet line and #10 return line.   I am also using Vortech's Fuel Management Unit which raises fuel pressure under boost to ensure that the engine does not run lean.

« Last Edit: September 23, 2006 - 01:04:26 PM by 1974Cuda360 »
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Re: Supercharged Cuda .....Got boost?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006 - 10:33:00 AM »
WOW there's some good information!!    :bigsmile: