And the smoking ban hell continues....

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Offline Four-Forty-fied

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2006 - 09:36:39 AM »
To me, it's pretty simple:
 
1.  The owner of the establishment decides if smoking is allowed.
2.  The patron of the establishment decides if they want to go there.
 
Did I miss anyone ?
 
I don't see the problem.  No one is forced to ban smoking in a business that they own, and no one is forced to go somewhere that allows smoking.

P.G.

  :iagree: TOTALLY WITH THIS STATEMENT.  :2thumbs:  :stirpot:

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me too
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2006 - 03:11:41 PM »
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To me, it's pretty simple:
 
1.  The owner of the establishment decides if smoking is allowed.
2.  The patron of the establishment decides if they want to go there.
 
Did I miss anyone ?
 
I don't see the problem.  No one is forced to ban smoking in a business that they own, and no one is forced to go somewhere that allows smoking.
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2006 - 03:21:41 PM »
 :banghead: :banghead: 

I grew up w/ a smoker and I can tell you that's not fair.  Making restaurants smoke free is fair to non-smokers.  Not so fair to smokers, I have a question to the smokers does the cigarette smoke make the food taste better?  I know when I smell it it makes my food taste off.  Or is it just that you can't make it for an hour w/out the nicotine?  Chew some gum and get over it. :stirpot:

All in good fun, but the fact is that the PC society we live in requires that the govt is involved.

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2006 - 04:27:23 PM »


Doesn't make food taste any different, well, not to me anyway.  :thumbsup: I look forward to the durey after my meals and you'll usually spot me eating a big breakfast with one hanging out my mouth towards to end of the meal.


I also agree with P.G.s statement well said and how true.  :iagree:
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2006 - 08:20:21 PM »
 :clueless: i know this thread is gonna go for a while,i was staying out of it.i myself smoke,even though i shouldn't,try to quit sometime like i think it was nzrt440 said,i myself can't stand it when someone lit a smoke up in a resturant either,here in minnesota you can't anymore unless in some county's the bar in drinks is a substancle more business than food sales,although that is changing fast,like nzrt440 said,i love to light up when i'm sitting at my local bar after work to have a couple,when your a smoker you like to have one with our drink,i don't smoke in my home,haven't for years,go out in the gararge,have to think of the wife and son.but to give the gov't total say over everything like they been trying to do is getting outrageous,to much control and they want to take more and more.  :pullinghair: my  :2cents: for NOW!
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2006 - 08:41:49 PM »
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I grew up w/ a smoker and I can tell you that's not fair.  Making restaurants smoke free is fair to non-smokers.  Not so fair to smokers, I have a question to the smokers does the cigarette smoke make the food taste better?

People smoke for any or all of a variety of reasons and the reasons are irrelevant to the discussion.  No one has the right to tell anyone else what legal activities they can and can't do around them. Period.

If you want to start banning things that are annoying, well, some of us better take a hard look at ourselves, lest we become banned for the same reason.  Seriously, though, suppose your neighbor complained that that old Mopar is annoying (and ecologically hazardous). Bye, bye Mopar.  It's a slippery slope.  And once you let politicians control one aspect of your life, their foot is in the door to work on others, so watch out!  Note the recent Chicago law that bans fois gras because preparing it is cruel. These people have obviously never been to a meat processing plant, because if they did, we'd all be eating only vegetables.  Then again, some wacko group published a "scientific study" that stated they plants feel pain when they're picked, so maybe we should all just live on water.

Since no one can prove that smoking is physically harmful to others, that point is moot. And if it ever does get proven, then it should be outlawed altogether.  It is asinine to declare something hazardous, but allow its use to make money off of it.  In the private sector, that would be enough to put a company under from the legal fees alone, let alone fines and penalties.  I do not accept from (and will not vote for) any politician that can't agree with that premise.

Can you imagine opening up your house and garage for some stranger to go through and dispose of anything they feel is harmful/dangerous/annoying/wasteful, etc.?

So, barring physical harm, we are left with the issue of annoyance.  There are restaurants around my house that allow dogs inside.  I don't like dogs, SO I DON'T GO TO THOSE RESTAURANTS.  I take my business elsewhere.  I don't complain to the media and everyone else that it's not fair that I can't go there.  That would be a lie.  I CAN go there, but I choose not to.

Look, if this were something that everyone wants, as has been suggested, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  Restaurants would simply put up the "No Smoking" sign and become rich overnight.  But there will always be people who live to tell others what to do, so we'll always be having these types of conversations and fighting these types of battles.  And I remind all that I am not and have never been a smoker.  Just someone who respects others' rights in their "pursuit of happiness".

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2006 - 08:54:40 PM »
If someone want to smoke let em.... :bigsmile: But still think my cloths stinks like **** the day after being in a smokearea.... :cheers:
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2006 - 09:17:41 PM »
If someone want to smoke let em.... :bigsmile: But still think my cloths stinks like nuts the day after being in a smokearea.... :cheers:
:iagree: with you esgee,got home a few times after dart league where the restaurant and bars divded by walls with seals and doors seperateing them.i smoke and love to play darts while doing so,when i would get home it was like yuk man do you reek,through my close in the laudry room downstairs and jump in the shower,why don't i quit?cause i enjoy it and it relaxes me.matter of fact out to the garage to lite one up.  :dupe:  :lol:
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2006 - 09:45:25 PM »
True example from this weekend - our local movie theater now requires everyone be carded to be allowed into an R-Rated movie. 80yo grandpas have to show ID to watch Jackass...es. As a thirtysomething adult male I don't feel the need to show my name, address, and birthdate to some HS drop out making $6.35/hr. I complained to management and went home. Do I expect them to drop everything? Do I need to get a law passed? No, absolutely not. Am I being unreasonable - probably. But its now up to the theater to decide if the extra security is worth losing the $1052 I spent there last year. Or they can call my bluff.

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2006 - 10:02:24 PM »
At 39, I still get carded when I buy beer. I think it is great that the employees check to make sure that under age folks do not buy alcohol.

I am a former smoker, I quit cold turky on my 24th birthday. It was tough for the first few days, after that I was amazed at how good I felt. I could taste food again too.  :thumbsup:

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2006 - 10:05:45 PM »

Since no one can prove that smoking is physically harmful to others, that point is moot. And if it ever does get proven, then it should be outlawed altogether. 


It was proven a long time ago.


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In 1993 the EPA declared environmental tobacco smoke (also called ETS, secondhand smoke or passive smoke) a known human carcinogen. It was classified as an environmental toxin equivalent to asbestos and other hazardous substances.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4521

American Lung Association
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39858

Mayo Clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/secondhand-smoke/CC00023

Even Phillip Morris the makers of many cigarettes...
http://www.philipmorrisusa.com/en/health_issues/secondhand_smoke.asp

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2006 - 10:12:02 PM »
 :wow: rev, your on your toes tonight,great statistics, so why doe's the gov't let the big tobacco co's keep paying them off then.it just doesn't make sense to me.can you say BIG business.  :pullinghair:  :pullinghair:
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2006 - 10:18:13 PM »
I can vouch for the second hand smoke as well, it is why I started.

When I was 21 I started a new job, I was the only non-smoker. After being there about six months I started getting terrible headaches on my days off. If I went to a bar or restaurant and sat close to a smoker, the headache would go away. I was addicted to second-hand smoke. So, I picked up some smokes and would lite up when I got a headache. Less that three years later I was smoking three packs a day.  :screwy:

Very glad I quit when I did!  :bigsmile:

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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2006 - 07:33:47 AM »
Smokin is harmfull to the smokers and anyone around them-read the ingredients and use common sense-it`s pretty obviuos it`s bad stuff! ::)
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Re: And the smoking ban hell continues....
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2006 - 03:50:17 PM »
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That's how business works in America.

Amen. And how it should work.

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It was proven a long time ago.

It was listed as such without any scientific evidence to back it up.  It's easy to prove anything with the burden of proof set that low.  I could probably prove the world is flat, based on that standard.

The World Health Organization studied the effects of 2nd hand smoke for 12 years and concluded that there was no link, and they studied children of smokers, spouses of smokers, etc.  They were so disappointed that they couldn't reach the conclusion that they were sure they'd reach that they dumped their study on their website with no publicity.  Odd, huh?  The search for the truth wasn't as important to them as confirming what they already "knew" to be true.

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