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    Offline AMXguy

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    Numbers matching question
    « on: October 09, 2006 - 10:52:50 PM »
    I'm a newbie to Mopars and I'm wondering how much value should one add for a numbers matching car as opposed to a replacement engine of the same year and size? I'm talking on a 70-71 RT challenger for instance. I'm looking for a car yet and I know it matters but I don't know how much.
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006 - 11:37:45 PM »


    For a numbers matching car I usually add (on top of a non-#'s car) about $10,000 for 340's, 360's and 383's, $12,000+ for 440's and $15,000+ for 440-SIXPAKS and $25,000+ for HEMIs. The R/T cars (383ci +) add the full $10,000 IMO and usually plus dependent on options and rarity.

    I doesn't really matter too much, I own a #'s 70 Challenger R/T and a clone 340ci 73 'Cuda.
    I love both!! At the end of the day it makes no difference to how they drive, does it?  :grinno: They're just #'s.

    Get what you want, if your after something original and for the show scene a #'s car will do you well.
    If you're after something to drive more and enjoy and not worry about so much a non-#'s maybe your best choice.


    Hope this helps.  :cheers:
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    Offline AMXguy

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2006 - 09:48:23 AM »
    Thanks, I knew it made a difference but that's more than I'd have thought. I'll buy a car  with or without matching numbers as long as the price reflects it.
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    Offline hemi71

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #3 on: October 10, 2006 - 01:56:01 PM »
    I'd say the diff between a #'s car and a non-numbers car is appox. 20%. Thats a good ballpark figure to use.
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    Offline AMXguy

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006 - 03:20:45 PM »
     So would NADA Guide reflect numbers matching or not? or is it in the middle so you'ld  you add 10% for matching and subtract 10% for non matching?  they don't say.
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    Offline Total BS

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006 - 04:05:45 PM »
    AMX,

    It all depends also on what your long term plans are.  Are you buying it as an investment or something cool to drive. If this is your first venture into Mopar-land you may want to consider buying something you can afford and enjoy. They all are going up in value so I don't think you will lose money on whatever you buy.
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    Offline AMXguy

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006 - 06:30:49 PM »
    I see what you're saying and no I'm not an investor I just want to know if a car is priced right when I find it. I'm more of a show -driver type guy. I found a 70 RTSE 383 4spd restored to near mint original condition with a non matching engine number for 40K, I haven't seen it in person yet but is that about right? it sounds in the ball park. 
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006 - 06:34:48 PM »


    That sounds a little high to me, "mint original condition" sounds like it's no show piece, maybe solid but for a 383ci non-numbers I would have expected a little less, not by much, but a little less.

    Then again the price game is almost impossible without photos.  :picture:


     :2cents:
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    Offline AMXguy

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006 - 07:00:37 PM »
     I think I kind of gave a bad discription, it has a fantastic new PPG paint job and top, new leather interior, new engine and transmission, brakes . all done by pro's. the only thing I see it needs is a little trim buffed out and the bumpers are nice but I'd rechrome them. under the hood is detailed to the max , new wheels, tires 3" exhaust ect. I said near mint because of the bumpers and trim . it may be a little high yet I'm not sure?, I'd rather do more of the work myself but solid complete car projects are something I just can't find.
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    Offline Carlwalski

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2006 - 07:08:51 PM »


    That car sounds about right to me then, sounds lovely. I'd offer lower anyhow, ya never know!!

    Projects are cool, if I had the know-how I'd take one on myself but no more cars for me (house) and the two I have were too nice for me to "learn" on. lol However, buying one new has one big advantage, you save HEAPS of $$$$.


    Hope you find what you want because it sounds like you know what you're after which is a good place to be.


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    Offline Total BS

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2006 - 07:14:17 PM »
    AMX, 

    I will have about $40K into my 71 Cuda resto project when I am done and I still haven't driven it down the street yet. So if the Challenger turns out to be as nice as you think it might be worth a shot.

    Any chance of posting some pics of this baby?

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    Offline AMXguy

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2006 - 07:27:35 PM »
    Thanks guys,
     The pictures I have are in a weird format but I'll see what I can do, it's F5 red with a black top and interior. I tried hard getting him down on his price and he won't budge.  the owner is on vacation until Thanksgiving so I can't go see it until then. if I don't find something else first that is.
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    Offline BIGSHCLUNK

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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2006 - 08:11:55 PM »
    My Chally is #'s matching except for the HEMI.... addded alot to the appraisal!  :burnout:
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    Re: Numbers matching question
    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2006 - 10:04:39 PM »
    Quote from: BIGSHCLUNK on October 10, 2006 - 08:11:55 PM
    My Chally is #'s matching except for the HEMI.... addded alot to the appraisal!  :burnout:

    Now that is not to hard to live with :bigsmile:
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