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Offline Moparmatt

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2006 - 10:32:17 PM »
In HS, we would always rib each other after people would make joking bets that "verbal contracts are legally binding in the state of New Jersey". I don't know if that is fact, but you are in Jersey, right? Worth a try...




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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2006 - 10:43:32 PM »
Wow I am getting to the point in a few months that my body will be ready for a restoration I am glad I found this thread to cover some of the loose ends during the restoration. Thanks for sharing, will be waiting for updates...

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2006 - 11:19:04 PM »
This is really a bad deal for you. I have heard stories about this kind of thing but most shop call and tell you they are running over the original estimate and we need to get together about the amount involved. I would not waste anytime getting a lawyer to take care of this matter. The sooner the better and I would want a detailed list of all work and materials used for the restoration. This will be a great help to your lawyer when it comes time to figure out where they are trying to screw you out of you hard earned money.


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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2006 - 11:19:20 PM »
That sucks, a friend of mine had a pro shop do his 69 runner... he went to pick it up expecting to get 5-6k, as he did alot of work himself, they basically did the body only, expecting to pay 6-7k or so, they billed him 15k!  Well he got a loan and paid it... car is perfect, but to get charged double is bs!!!
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2006 - 11:23:56 PM »
I tried to reply before, but for some reason, it disappeared, so I'll try again.

Talk to a lawyer, but unless you have something in writing, you're probably screwed, as the courts always side with the service provider as long as they can justify the bill, and prove the work was done. That's why he is so eager to "Finish it". They have a right to keep your vehicle until they get paid, and if you don't pay within a reasonable amount of time, they can send for an abandoned title, and sell the car themselves, which may be their motive. They also have the right to charge a "Storage fee" sometimes as high as $100 per day, or more, while the car sits idle in their possession as you try to work things out. That can pile up pretty quickly as time is on their side. If your car sits there for a year while you guys fight it out, you could wind up owing them another $36k in storage fees, on top of what they are charging you. See if your lawyer can put a halt to any storage fees, as you are willing to take the car back, now.

It serves as a lesson to all of us to get a detailed written contract when you are going to have work done, even if it's being done by family, friends, or people you have dealt with before. The contract should include a provision where you have the right to remove the car if you are not satisfied with work (or lack of) at  any time. It should exclude any "Storage charges" in the event of a problem. It should include a provision where no additonal work or "Unseen damages" may be addressed without your written approval, and if additional work is done, it should follow the same rules as the original contract. It should also include a provision that gives you the right to withhold payment from them, and use it to pay someone else to fix any damages they do or shoddy work that they perform. I know that this is hard to do when you are dealing with people you know, because we all want to be trusting, but I have seen money make enemies out of lifelong friends, and turn brother against brother. If you don't want to alienate them, tell them that you are borrowing the specific amount for the work, and the bank and insurance company insist on having the detailed contract to justify the amount of the loan, and to determine the future value of the vehicle when finished. If they won't do it, then go someplace else, or suggest a series of mini contracts, that each cover a specific task, or a set amount, like $2000-$5000 each.

You might want to consider taking out a personal loan to pay off the balance, just to get the car back into your possession. Or you can talk to a repo man and see if you can hire him to collect the car if it is left outside. Possession is always 9/10's of the law. Just make sure you put it someplace where another repo man can't find it.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2006 - 05:12:03 AM »

Another customer had commented last week in front of the owners that my car should be worth around $70K when completed.  I am wondering if they just decided to see if they could grab and extra piece of the pie.

Wow, feel real bad for you!  That's horrible that you have to go through that.

It's rediculous that they want "a piece of the pie".  Paint is paint, no matter if it goes on a Cuda or a Honda.  There's some variances as to how to do the work, but come on, it not justifiable to up the price $10K!

Talk to the lwayer, and oh yeah, get something for your "emotional distress" from the situation.  That might make them follow closer to the original quote!

I might even consider getting your car out of that shop.  I wouldn't trust them.  :eek7:
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2006 - 08:11:19 AM »
Well, my opinion probably doesn't match most, but here is my take.   

What they did was BS, and hindsight is always 20/20 on having a contract etc..

Without a detailed contract, I wouldn't waste your time/energy/blood pressure on a lawyer.

Sit down with them, the car is so far along there can be no more "surprises" that affect the finished price.   Have them put in writing the bill is paid in full for final paint after a price is agreed upon.   Have them finish the paint, money issues aside, I believe you are/will be very happy with the final paint.   Taking the car to another body shop at this point would definately not be the way to go.   You think your being screwed now, they would know they have you over a barrel.

I am not undermining what a nutsty deal this is, but don't let it consume you and completely ruin the entire experience.   You have an awesome car, and it is worth a bunch of money.   Focus on the good, because I am afraid at this point focusing on the bad won't change anything.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2006 - 08:24:09 AM »
 :hyper: Ed this is awful, and it sounds like this shop owner may be related to the one 71 Fishes delt with, hell they even may have owned two shops at different locations in the state, sounds too similiar to be coincidence? If you can't reach an aggrement, threaten a law suit, but you'll have to decide the cost difference between paying their price if he won't come down and the added cost of a lawyer and legal fees, court cost etc. Either way your getting a ream job buddy.
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2006 - 08:51:19 AM »
Did you remind him of the original estimate and if so what did he answer? I mean this guy must be really worthless to calculate a job on a car.
Very sorry to hear about your situation.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2006 - 09:19:41 AM »
Maybe we can have a thread about things to consider when you hire a pro body shop , some sort of document as a contract that we can print out and bring to the body shop. With only the figures to fill in.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2006 - 09:25:04 AM »
I live in  :canada: If I have a dispute with a shop about fees, I go to the provincial (state) court office and pay the bill to them. The shop has to release thecar to me. The judge decides the fees, rights and wrongs at a later date.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2006 - 10:02:43 AM »
Wow - BS.. just saw this thread. There's a few ways I would approach this.

FIRST - (as 4c said) STOP ALL WORK on your car. Make that clear and even send a fax to him. Do this ASAP..

Contact a NJ Fraud lawer.. set up a consultation ASAP.. get the bearings on the law.

Now that you get those two things out of the way. There's a few routes you can take. You can sit down & negotiate the price. In fact you may want to consider making a concession & say.. you keep the 13g's & I walk away with my unpainted car.. lesson learned HARD.  :aarg:

Now what my brother had in his favor was a "written" estimate for $5500. he also got reciepts when he made incremental payments on "additional" work done.. trunk pan etc. Now. just because u do not have a written estimate does not the shop to charge whatever. In fact, it would be up to the court to rule on what is fair to this point. That is why it plays in your favor if he does not paint your car. A shinny new paint job on your mopar will more closely justify his price in court over.. block sanded primer/sealer. That's why it's imperrative that you "document" your request to CEASE all work indefinetely.

IMO, I do not believe the shop is out of the woods and have free reign to charge whatever. In fact, I believe Wolf said that the laws state that automotive shops ARE REQUIRED to invoice for any additional work and have it signed. The same may be true for the initial quote. If it goes to court, u may actually get all of your $$ back & the car. The down side is that u have to contend w/ the storage fees and having your car in limbo for months.. or year(s)

I'll be watching this thread.. man I got totally pissed when i read this. Let me know if i can do anything else to help.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2006 - 10:23:31 AM »
There is some good advise from experience!!   :worshippy

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2006 - 10:47:30 AM »
Maybe we can have a thread about things to consider when you hire a pro body shop , some sort of document as a contract that we can print out and bring to the body shop. With only the figures to fill in.

I think this would be a super idea! A contract that any of us could print out whenever getting major work done on a car. Might have to tweak it a little for various situations, but at least the framework would be available to us.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2006 - 12:41:01 PM »
" the added cost of a lawyer and legal fees, court cost etc. Either way your getting a ream job buddy."

My brother paid the attorney.. total of like 5-800.00  The rest he took out of the azz of the scum that tried to steal his car. Believe me, FRAUD, is no elusive crime in NJ. If the business owner does not have documented quotes and does the work.. NJ pretty much recogognizes that as free labor.

The shop owner is screwed.. NOT  BS. he needs to stop work, seek, counsel and then "calmly" discuss the shop owners options. You'ld be surprised what a good attorney will find with background checks of a body shop and its owners. licensing etc.. 

If that owner cannot produce a quote.. he's screwed. Where is this place. give me the name and number.

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