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Offline Moparmatt

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2006 - 12:06:30 AM »
I agree with Barry... if you go in, and it is not there, take out a cell phone right then and there and report it stolen.




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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2006 - 01:17:36 AM »
I feel for you , I am constantly asked to recommend good body shops , I can`t do it period , it i sthe hardest part of a resto I cannot find a good shop that will do the work right & stick anywhere near a quote , this is the Main reason I have not started to restore my Chall I have seen many paint/ body jobs that ran over 20 K with medocre at best quality
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2006 - 08:42:26 AM »
a agree chryco, and i beleive this is why people buy done cars also. It takes so much time ,effort ,money and total BS!!!!!!!! 

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2006 - 11:40:07 AM »
how much is the attorney getting ?
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2006 - 12:37:51 PM »
Attorneys can be very expensive as well, maybe try and find out what they will be charging you. Paying the 71 outright from the bodyshop may save you in the end. Let the bodyshop know your intensions to get legal help and they may resolve this without going farther with it. Best of luck.  :pullinghair:

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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2006 - 02:51:31 PM »
Well, not that I'm a lawyer, and I'm not in NJ, but.. How anyone can leave a large project in a professional body shop with no paperwork is beyond me. Body jobs are never what the estimate originally was, but there has to be a starting point agreed on. Did you get receipts for all payments? PLease say you did, even if it was paid in cash. First things first. Why not ask to see the work, tell him you're not happy, but may have a source for payment money. If he says "It's in storage", tell him you want to go and see the work and your parts. If he cant or wont show you, I would most definately produce the title and cell phone and call the cops in front of him. It's his responsibility to take reasonable care of the car while it's in his possession. If he cant produce it, it's stolen. If he doesnt want to because he moved it, you have every right to know it's whereabouts at all times, and have access to it during normal business hours. I wouldnt go in full head of steam until you can see it, and if possible, use a disposable camera to take pics of it and all the parts. He may come down some but if your grille disappears he wil get the $$ back. After it's seen and documented, then have the lawyer get the writ, and accompany them and the sherriff with a trailer and enough trucks to get every last nut and bolt. Because you'll only have one shot. Once it's safely out of there, you can fight it out. I agree the surprise is BS, but truly, you should have been more "up" on the bill. If you had paid $13K, a comment of "so the balance is like $500 or so, right?" would have made things easier later. I do recommend shops, and do it myself, and I always make sure everybody knows what's going on. You have to. It's fair he get's paid for his work, but it's BS how he handled things. It's also way too common these days with old cars. It's like the shops are afraid to be open and honest when they comment on what the costs will be. I hope it ends up well for you...

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2006 - 09:01:08 PM »
Wow, I can't believe the s*** they're trying to get away with!!! :swear:  As already stated, you should definitely go there in person and ask calmly how things are going with your car and if you can see it.  If he makes up excuses that you may not see the car at this time, whip out the cell phone and give your local police force a call.  I don't know what I'd be doing right now if I was in your position...actually, I'd probably be in jail after I found out they moved the car out and placed it in an enclosed trailer. :stomp: :puke:
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2006 - 10:55:13 AM »
It is pretty hard to estimate how many hours its going to take and for them to write up and exact quote might bite them big in the end.  But thats pretty big chunk they went over, right thing to do would have been to tell you up front, not just do the extra work if they even did.
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2006 - 09:43:35 PM »
Today's Update....

I went to the resto shop today to try and work things out as adults before I got my attorney involved. I sat down with both owners and they are very agreeable to work out a settlement that we will both be comfortable with.  I asked to see my Cuda and they promptly took me outside to see it. It is safe in the enclosed trailer and well protected. It is all painted except for the hood which should be done on Friday and the car will be back inside for assembly and I could get it back next week. I will go back on Friday to finalize the monetary details.

Although it is more money than I originally wanted to spend I think we can find some middle ground to come to an agreement. They basically said name my price that I am willing to pay and we can work it out over time. I spoke with my secret insider friend that works there and he said that the hours that they have into my car are justified but they should have let me know well before the fact. All in all the their work is great but I will know next time to get everything in writing.  I did originally negotiate a reduced rate of $50/hour compared to their normal $75/hour which they keep reminding me of.

I know a lot of you will think I am crazy to fall for this but my rationale is that I would rather pay a little more to have a completed and assembled car (back in MY garage) and have some recourse if I have some paint or body work issues than to have it yanked out of there by the sheriff and try and find another body shop to complete the work. Plus with attorney fees nobody would really win and I would be set back another couple of months. We have had a great relationship throughout the process and hopefully I am making the right decision.
 
Am I nuts? I think next time I will buy a completed car.  This resto stuff is killing me. As always your comments and opinions are highly valued....!
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2006 - 10:07:32 PM »
If you can come to an agreement that you're happy with . . . that's all that matters!  Hope it works out and you're satisfied!   :dogpile:

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2006 - 10:13:17 PM »
As long as it is a price that you can live with and the work is of utmost quality - Then write it off to experience as long as this lesson does not cost more then say 5K. Pay it and get your car back, one in the hand is worth two in the bush. Just glad things are going to kinda work out for you.

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2006 - 10:15:20 PM »
Sounds like they are willing to meet you somewhere in the middle. I know it is a compromise but I personally think you are doing the right thing. You will get your car back sooner and still be on good terms with the shop instead of paying the extra to a lawyer and having all that hassle and wasted time after which you will have a horrible relationship with the shop should you find cause for them to repair something they did wrong.
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #72 on: November 22, 2006 - 11:37:24 PM »
As long as you are happy with the outcome that is all that matters. Once you get the car back post lots of picture!!! Good luck.
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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2006 - 01:40:24 AM »
I think you have handled it the Best way possible , it sucks that you had to pay more then expected BUt you got decent work & they will work with you to pay it off which is decent , using a lawyer I doubt you would do much better by the time you paid the lawyers bill & who know how long it could take to get the get the car back & what pieces may have been missing  , tough lesson But once you have the car to enjoy you will tend to overlook the cost in time 

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Re: I'm getting screwed!
« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2006 - 03:53:07 AM »
It is pretty hard to estimate how many hours its going to take and for them to write up and exact quote might bite them big in the end.  But thats pretty big chunk they went over, right thing to do would have been to tell you up front, not just do the extra work if they even did.

 :iagree:   I sure you told them it wouldv`e been much better to inform you as soon as they started going over the original quote instead of hitting you with a big bill at the end,you would think a resto business would know that.  :clueless: It sounds like the extra work/$ is justified so I think you are doing the right thing by settling the bill and getting your car back and you may still be getting a decent deal at $25/ hour less than there normal rate.   :thumbsup:
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