Don't know about the vert. Keith, I know he did come down to $2500.00 that was the last time I got back with you............? He has since closed his shop and the property was put up for sale. Don't know what went down. He was a nice guy, did good work and service. I guess not overpricing his customers and being nice to his customers equated into not enough operating cash flow. What do they say? "nice guys finish last", must be true in the business world.