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Need help choosing a camshaft
« on: December 25, 2006 - 11:15:48 PM »
I am trying to help my father refresh his motor and I need a little help choosing a camshaft.

Combo:
360 +.030
'974 heads (2.02/1.60 valves)
H405P pistons (about 8.7:1 compression)
Performer intake
600 cfm Edelbrock carb
Mopar Performance Ignition
340 hi-flow exhaust manifolds
2 1/4 dual Flowmasters

A833OD Tranny

8 3/4 with 3.23 Suregrip

This setup will be going in a '74 Dart Swinger.  He wants good low end torque and yet still be able to spin the engine to 5500 rpm.  He will also be running A/C and would like to have a decent vacuum at idle.

I was looking at the Lunati Voodoo #60402
Adv. dur.  =  262/268
.050 dur.  =  220/226
Lift          =  .475/.494
Lobe Sep. =  112

I have never tried this cam before, so has anyone on here used it before?

Do you have any other suggestions for a cam? 

Any info would be great, thanks in advance.  :2thumbs:
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2006 - 11:32:29 PM »
I haven't tried that one but the #' sound pretty good, I like the 112 LSA, should be a good choice... :2cents:
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2006 - 01:33:32 AM »
the Voo Doo cams are very close to the Engle grinds , I have used the VooDoo grinds & they work great  & that cam will work in the range you are looking for

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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2006 - 02:22:29 PM »
I just installed a Comp XE262 in my W350 plow truck. It's stock compression '87 360 (likw 7.3:1), Edelbrock intake and 600 carb, 1/3/4 headers with MSD. It idles at 650rpm smooth, pulls 12" in gear and 17 in park. I have 4.10s, but it will spin the 32" Mud Terrains for about 40' from a dead stop and standing on it. And it's got twin dan 60s and dump truck springs..It's no lightweight..lol. I thought it might be too mellow for me, but I really like it. It would equate to about one step below the Voo Doo 268, but same idea. I've had it to 4800 so far, it keeps pulling, but I wanted max torque below 3K. In a street geared A body I'm sure it would be a riot.

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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2006 - 02:31:14 PM »
Thanks for the info everyone, that is what I was hoping to hear.  :2thumbs:
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2006 - 06:01:36 PM »
Wow! No one jumped in to say how that cam will never work, you need at least 540 lift & a duration of 250+ @.050... :blah: :blah: :blah: :roflsmiley:
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006 - 12:57:48 AM »
Wow! No one jumped in to say how that cam will never work, you need at least 540 lift & a duration of 250+ @.050... :blah: :blah: :blah: :roflsmiley:

This is a great forum with great members, and I hope it stays this way, that is why we get respectable answers to well thought out questions.   :2thumbs:
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006 - 02:31:24 AM »
Also had another question:

I was wondering how this Voodoo cam would compare to the original Mopar 340 cam or the newer Mopar 268/272 dur. - .450/455 lift version.  I know the Mopar cam may have a slight more dur. but would the extra lift for the voodoo cam make up for the lower dur.? 

Thanks again.
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2006 - 05:08:29 AM »
I run a 360 short block crate motor with magnum heads.I'm running theMP 340 resto cam 429/444 with 1.6 ratio rockers.Car has alot of bottom and mid range.easily will spin past 5500.With 3.55's and MP converter car has no problem liting them up.I'm also running Air gap intake and TTI's 750 Comp AFB carb.Car idles nice.Good gas mileage too.

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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2006 - 12:48:50 PM »
Are you running headers or manifolds ? the 112* CL will help with manifolds , the 110 or 108 will work better with headers , the increased overlap increases scavenging, , the 112 CL will decrease peak power but increase the powerband RPM moving the cl to 108 will increase the peak power but decrease the rpm range
 I generally have found power gains with the newer fast ramp higher lift grinds liek the VooDoo & Engle but I always port the heads which takes advantage of the higher valve lift
 the Mopar 474 lift cam is very similar to the old .471 Hemi grind , I had that cam in my 340 Cuda & it screamed but was dead around 5800 rpm.
 The other cams that work well  are the Mopar 490 & 528 solid grinds , we installed a .528 in a AAR because it already had the mechanical rockers & it is nice to drive now , with the 112 cl & .241 @ .050 duration it idles well & runs Hard 
 we used that Exact VooDoo Cam in a Mopar crate 360 , we pulld the Mpar .508 that it came with after it chwed a lobe off & replaced ti with the VooDoo , it ran much better with the VooDoo but the the .508 /108 is not a great choice for a steet cam
 The Resto cam Dragfish mentioned has the longer duration of the .450/.455 cam but has the wider Cl @ 114* which is why it works from idle to 5800 RPM 
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006 - 12:44:01 AM »
Thanks Chryco.   
I see why everyone looks to you for help.  You are the MAN!  :2thumbs:   :2thumbs:

We decided to go the Voodoo cam I first suggested and it should be arriving next week.  I think my father will be happy with that setup. 

I was thinking, so in theory if there were two identical engines except one of them had a 108* CL and the other a 114* CL, the 114 would have better driving characteristics, but the 108 would be slightly faster.  Is that right or am I just over thinking this?????? 
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006 - 01:32:47 AM »
I dont car what anyone says.....if you have the cash go to a roller cam....just my 02........

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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2006 - 01:33:38 AM »
either could be faster depending on a number of other factors , with wider gear ratios & more rpm drpo between gears the 114* cam could work better , the effectiveness of the exhuast system could work better with the 108* cam if it scavenges well , generally the 114* cam will have better idle & low end power charicteristics & 108 cams will be worse in the idle & bottem end but will pull harder in the ideal power range If it is kept in that powerband & if the exhaust is not restictive
 this is why the cam Has to be tailored to the package
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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2006 - 01:38:55 AM »
I dont car what anyone says.....if you have the cash go to a roller cam....just my 02........

 There are reasons why I do & don ot agree with this , Hyd rollers have a very wide powerband which is why almost all MFgs have gone to them but hyd lifters are essentially unstable which is why you usually get soft grinds [slow ramp speed wiith un-impressive lift #s]
Solid rollers are simply awesome But you have to run Bronze oil pump drive gears which get eaten in 10,000 miles or less so there can be a lot of maintainence with them on the street
 the Newer solid grinds with fast ramp & high lifts using 1.6 ratio rockers can get very close to roller perfromace without the maintainence & cost

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Re: Need help choosing a camshaft
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2006 - 01:57:59 AM »
Thanks for the info, I understand the difference now.
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