1970 Challenger - Questions About Bumblebee Stripe and Paint Blackouts

[TreeFrog]

if this will work

if you closely you can see the hood black-out decals are different.

the convt goes down the rear slopes and the other does not

[70_challenger]

I see exactly what you're talking about. 
Interesting - I have never seen a hood blackout that extends down the slope and around the cowl vent like that.

Great - something else for me to worry about not being original!   

Thanks for pointing that out - I will have to look at the resto guides and see what they say.

[TreeFrog]

to be honest that was the only way I had ever seen them, untill Challenger parts became a more common item.  I personaly like the extended version better.

If I can find them, that is what I plan to use. (so far w/o luck.  I hate to Jim's was pretty rude about the hole thing ... guess where I borrowed the pics from They probably got them from the same book)

Let me know what you find out.

[TreeFrog]

This book by Paul C Zazarine has this image and a couple more...He states that a "Painted hood treatment" could be ordered, and it looks glossy, so ... did they paint the 70's or some of the early models??

[TreeFrog]

Year One.  The guy at the other end, after a lengthy wait admitted he found images of what I was talking about but would not tell where he found the images, or even what the car in the image looked like.  If it was the same car or a different car could make a difference.

However Everyone basicly buys the same decal these days, so its still a mystery...

[Alaskan_TA]

Challengers were not available with painted hood treatments, it was the decal or nothing, and the decals do not have the two ears of the scoop blacked out.

The so called "restoration" books for these cars are full of errors. 

Barry

[70_challenger]

 
There does not seem to be a definitive restoration book for these cars.  I have the Herd book and the Zazarine book, and have found errors in both.  (The Zazarine book shows the same car that TreeFrog referenced, with the extra 'ears' on the hood blackout).

I also found pictures of that same car on 'The Challenger Homepage' (http://challenger.mpoli.fi/the.dodge.challenger.homepage/start.htm, and click on '1970'...it is about halfway down the page).  Of course, if you look throught the price list at the bottom of that webpage, the option code V21 is called 'Hood Performance Paint Treatment'.   

Well, we all agree that the hood blackout was only originally available as a decal - However it looked.  I still think I'm going to try to replicate the hood decal by painting - I just wish I had the dimensions of the decal.

So far in this thread, we have learned that the engineering drawings do not match the dealer brochures (or actual cars), and that the restoration books are wrong.  Well, it all adds to the fun of this hobby of ours, doesn't it?   

[Alaskan_TA]

V21 actually is performance hood paint treatment on A and some B bodies and some Barracuda E-Bodies.

On Challengers it is a vinyl hood treatment.

Some codes have similar but different meanings on other models. 

Barry

[70 RT Convt]

If i remember correctly that silver convt. was in Muscle Car Review about 20 years ago and was a cloned rt with a 340 in it

[70challrtse]

Challengers were not available with painted hood treatments, it was the decal or nothing, and the decals do not have the two ears of the scoop blacked out.

The so called "restoration" books for these cars are full of errors. 

Barry

Just ask Roger Gibson what he thinks about those called resto guides.

[Alaskan_TA]

Is Roger the one that said the pages were too glossy to use for TP? 

 

[70_challenger]

I don't want to hijack my own thread here, but...

TreeFrog:  I found it!!!  Tonight I had a look through the photo section of the Hamtramck Historical sight, and found several pictures of cars with the hood blackout area extending past the cowl.  I have shrunk the picture size somewhat here, but you can see the originals on the website.

Did all these people make a mistake in the restoration, or might the factory have painted them this way for a while?

I'm going to paint mine the more common way, but I just wanted to let you guys know there are some cars painted this way.

[Alaskan_TA]

The factory did NOT paint the hood blackout, it was decal or nothing.

The pink car is owned by a pal, and it had the hood blackout painted on by a prior owner. 

Barry

[DAYLEY/CHALLENGER]

Just notice the red challenger has a painted tail panel and NO bumblebee stripe. First one I have seen like that.

[PlumCrazy]

So far in this thread, we have learned that the engineering drawings do not match the dealer brochures (or actual cars), and that the restoration books are wrong.  Well, it all adds to the fun of this hobby of ours, doesn't it?   

Hope you realize that the drawing you refer to is a '71 drawing.