Small Block VS. Big Block

[nivvy]

I think we should just have a FANATSY BUILD  2 builders 10 grand in cash to do with what you want.. 340 builder vs. 440 builder limited to $10,000 !!!
Stroke it..do what you want just only limited to 10g's
Same Car ..Same weight / gears etc... Ill put all specs on my "simulator" and see what is faster! 
This will end the dispute!

must have part numbers and cost.... any volunteers??? 

[Chryco Psycho]

ABsolutly ...........got $9,995 I can borrow / use / keep / you can have the engine when I am done ......

[70B@rracuda]

Can you supercharge it


***EDIT***
This topic is smallblock vs. big block, so let's not limit this to 340 and 440. You should be allowed to use R3 or aftermarket big blocks. Also the SC or turbo question is asked because some engine simulators only allow for N/A right?

[Jacksboys]

ABsolutly ...........got $9,995 I can borrow / use / keep / you can have the engine when I am done ......

  Same here

[willhaven]

For a street driver, I'd rather have a smaller lighter engine with a turbo or supercharger setup. For a straightline vehicle, a big block... with a turbo or supercharger setup.

I'd still rather have a stock BB than a stock SB car though.

[70B@rracuda]

Could you imagine a 48* R3, with Indy heads/intake, Hughes Engines 4.180" crank, 426 cid., ATI F1R Pro Charger (water/methanol cooled), 10.0:1 comp, and brass balls?
Or a Legend Hemi with a Roots blower, stroked?
A little over the 10K budget but when you want max hp you don't care about budget.
And Vette, who really cares what these car had when they left the assembly line if you're resorting to all this. If you are concerned with factory equipment you probably aren't going to be going for 1,000+ hp anyway.
Again, either way you go, you can potentially build the faster engine until someone else comes along and tops that. There is always someone faster than you and it could very well be a big block or a small block. Now go ahead and say THAT is lame. It's still true.

[67Vette427]

I just think its a little rediculous when people start quoting others, insulting their intelligence and then think this is a happy little forum. 70BArracuda if you feel what you said is lame, that's up to you. But doh, of course somebody can build to their $$ extent but if its a 440 verses a 340... the 440 will win out.

Like I said, I started racing 440's in the early 70's. The 440 cars were the way to go because they had a lot of the heavy duty equipment already. Of course we ran slicks so the cars could hook up or otherwise you'd be smoking the tires for almost an 1/8 mile and then a 340 car may have a chance ( short of a 1/4 mile ). With the 440 cars out there for $1500-$3500.00 why would you use a 340 car? The 340 E-bodies weren't that quick and took too much work compared to throwing a set of slicks on a 440/Dana Cuda/Challenger with 4:10's. Eventually, some of us took the 440's and running gears out and put them into Darts and A body Barracuda's making them run into the low 11's.

[70B@rracuda]

I don't want to get into a poop throwing contest but last time I checked you can go out and buy a $3500 440 car with a 4.10 Dana and this isn't the early 70's.
What I have stated is perfectly logical and not lame. I don't know what you were calling lame and to whom you were referring to when you said "always one who resorts to that". It was right after my post so I guess it was directed at me. Why would I feel what I said was lame. That's insane, I'm always right, lol. J/K Although, when you make slandering remarks you shouldn't be so vague about it.

lol... Lame...always one in the bunch who resorts to that.. I never saw a 340 car with tall gears, a Dana and torque boxes ( all 3 ) at least from the factory and that was my point. The 440/Hemi cars had the power that needed to have the strength of the drive train and the body built up for a reason. My latest engine below. The legend.

Sounds like you are putting too much stock in the past. Wake up and realize that there might just be a baddasz small block stroker out there that could eat your lunch and fart in your face afterwards. Pride is a hard thing to swallow.

[wart1de]

For everyday use and street driving, big blocks are a pain in the bum compared to small blocks. They over heat more, it's harder to change spark plugs, they don't have alot of room for headers, drink more fuel and are hard to insure ( over here atleast ) ... but people put up with this because whether you are talking stock vs stock or highly modified, at the end of the day they make more power.

That said, with a stroker crank, ported eddy heads and fuel injection I expect my SB will have more power than I could ever use on the street. And with it being "just a SB" i'll be sure to get alot more races.   

I just wish it was closer to being finished!

[67Vette427]

One thing good about these posts is you can go back and read who made the slandering comment and I'll tell you it wasn't me. That's the first mistake you made 70B.

The second was if you can find an original 70 440, 4 speed-Dana car that is an R/T, that has less than 25k miles and all original for 3500.00 let me know and I'll give you a finder's fee.

Third, if I decided to slander somebody, rest assured it wasn't you, you just didn't read the other post left by fishfry.

Fourth, if it was me saying that to you I'd do it to your face.

Fifth, since the original question was about the 340 vs. 440. I simply stated what the factory did for both cars 340/440 and that got blown out of proportion because some 340 guy like you got his panties all twisted up. The reply I put in there wasn't slamming 340's, just what the factory did to both cars because of their HP and torque differences. I didn't make a blanket statement that a 440 will be better than any or all 340's. I just related the one 340 car I had and ran and it didn't impress me and as a result somebody said my statement was kind of lame??

I don't need to call people names who do a good enough job on their own...way to go!
 

[Carlwalski]

 

[KellysCuda aircard]

 

[Killer_Mopar]

Wake up and realize that there might just be a baddasz small block stroker out there that could eat your lunch and fart in your face afterwards. Pride is a hard thing to swallow.

Im sorry, but I dont understand the logic in that. So you're saying that he should swallow his pride because there is a faster car then his out there that is small block powered?  There is a big block powered car out there that is faster than that small block powered car. You're right, pride is hard to swallow.

For everyday use and street driving, big blocks are a pain in the bum compared to small blocks. They over heat more, it's harder to change spark plugs, they don't have alot of room for headers, drink more fuel and are hard to insure ( over here atleast )

Never had a problem with overheating, header room, or plugs. I would rather work on a big block anyday over a small block. Plugs are just as easy to change on my B block as on my dad's A block, but that is probably due to header choice. Setting the timing on a BB is much easier, no special wrenches or reaching over a fender. Big block oil changes are a breeze compared to small blocks. But you are right about the thirst for fuel, big blocks love the gas stations. Both engines have their advantages and at the end of the day, there are small block people and there are big block people....rarely do you see people switch sides.

[67Vette427]

That's a Cuda Kelly....! Real Nice!

I also have to agree with killermopar on the cooling and the maint. The red 440, 4 speed, 4:10 Dana Cuda runs about 160 all day long. The 71 runs 170. Both big block cars.

Watch that popcorn Carl  ...and good website. I checked it out.. The cars are looking good...

[Carlwalski]

Watch that popcorn Carl  ...and good website. I checked it out.. The cars are looking good...

Thanks mate, good to see you still pop in from time to time. Nice 'Cudas!!
Nice roads too, I love driving those style roads, up/down hills, twisty bends, long straights.....