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Offline Stacked440

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New age suspension?
« on: February 10, 2007 - 08:17:59 PM »
Anyone know of any places that sell new E-body suspension kits with new technology?  Be nice to have a car that could go like nobody's business AND take a corner :bigsmile:
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Offline 70B@rracuda

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Re: New age suspension?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2007 - 08:59:04 PM »
There are www.xvmotorsports.com wich is awesome and expensive, www.reilymotorsports.com wich is good and better priced. There are a few others out ther like magnumforce but anything that wants you to connect coilovers to the inner fenders, stay away. These types of suspensions do away with torsion bars and give you rack and pinion steering.
Also, you can keep your k-member and get adjustable upper control arms, lower control arm stiffening, sway bar, T/A pitman arm, lighter t-bars, and a fimfeel box. That would be the most affordable and it would be an amazingly good handler.
There are some rear suspension choices out there too. Air Ride Technologies has a triangulaterd 4-bar kit. You can do air ride or swap them for coilovers. The more economical way would be to work with your leaf springs. Just suspension ad XV have kits to beaf up your leafs.
Stiffening always helps, MagnumHP and XV have lazer cut subframe connectors that fit the contour of your factory floors. This makes the car look like a full frame car and looks as if it is factory frame rails. Full frame cars are better platforms for handling  so sub frame connectors are needed to be a serious contender. There are weld in and bolt in styles with weld in being the best.
As you see, there are many many things you can do that will improve your handling, but, there is no magic part you can buy. You must take it as a total system approach. Parts must compliment other parts.
The best thing to do is research and learn. Look at how far you want to take it. Do you want to spend $1,000 or $10,000 on suspension.

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Re: New age suspension?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2007 - 09:03:29 PM »
XV probably has the most refined system out there, but you have to pay for the research and development
http://www.xvmotorsports.com/

Alterktion has been around for a while and makes a very nice kit (probably your best bet if you dont have 10k to put towards suspension)
http://www.reillymotorsports.com/pricing.shtml

Air Ride is new and I cant even find a listing on their kit for e-bodies, I wouldn't ever buy it because of the added weight...but that is just me.
http://www.ridetech.com/index.asp

Magnum force also makes a kit but it is built more for the track
http://magnumforce.com/

What are you trying to accomplish? You can get an e-body to handle pretty well with just upgrading the old technology...a bigger set of torsion bars, front and rear sway bars, a good pair of shocks, and modern wheels will do wonders to an e-body....
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Offline 70B@rracuda

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Re: New age suspension?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007 - 03:07:18 AM »
Killer, you hit on the modern wheels and tires. That is something I thought of initially but forgot to include it. A huge improvement is in the tires. I forgot what magazine it was but they compared track times of a polyglass equipped car and modern tires on the same car. Astronomical difference there.
The Air Ride Technologies website, ridetech.com has them under the Musclecar AirBar tag, part number ABAR20700.
http://www.ridetech.com/productinfo/airbarstang.asp
If you order it through Reilly Motorsports he can swap out the air springs, Shock Waves, for coilovers. Also from experience, the Air Bar with coilovers instead of Shockwaves is alot lighter than two SS leafs alone. With the coilovers you don't have to have air tanks or any other stuff associated with air ride. You get as much performance but w/o the ride leveling capabilities.
Also another thing related to unsprung weight is the MP aluminum 8 3/4 housing. Surprisingly it isn't outrageously priced but it does fall in the more serious budget minded category.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2007 - 01:16:13 PM by 70B@rracuda »

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Re: New age suspension?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007 - 07:11:49 AM »
Anyone know of any places that sell new E-body suspension kits with new technology?  Be nice to have a car that could go like nobody's business AND take a corner

Lets put this into the context of a more commonly known field..."What engine do I need to run 12s?" For example, if you have a recently rebuilt, healthy 440, it might just take a rear gear change. If you have a clapped out 318, it is going to take significant time, money, and effort. The goal can be achieved either way, one is just easier than the other.

So that is my snotty way of saying that without knowing what you have currently, what budget you want to spend, and what your goals are, recommendations are just a swag. Suspensions should be built as a system, much like an engine, if you are trying to maximize performance. However, if you just want it to be a somewhat better than original, you might not need to update any hard parts but simply change tires, alignment and shocks.
I say that because most shops only have alignment specs for our cars as set up originally; that is with narrow, rock hard, bias ply tires, sometimes used without power steering. Modern radials can be used with much improved alignment settings which will make a huge difference in the way your car feels without the need to get into tubular k frames, coil overs, and exotic components. Add in bigger torsion and sway bars, improved leaf springs and the best shocks your willing to pay for and you will be amazed at the difference. Additionally, your car still looks original, which if you want to sell it down the line, can be an added benefit.

So, whatta ya have now, what do you want it do do (ie. cruising, semi regular driver, racer (any rules we need to know about), how much work are you willing/want to do, do you have a budget in mind? Are you starting with steel wheels and polyglass repops or do you already have new tires and wheels with a rebuilt suspension?