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Offline AMXguy

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Compression questions
« on: February 24, 2007 - 10:32:16 AM »
 The pistons I'm looking at for my 440 will give me a choice of  9.37.1 or 10.34.1 with 88cc 906 heads. 10.34 is going to be too much for pump gas won't it?  I also have a set of 915 heads I could use does anyone know what compression that would give with the 9.37.1 pistons, a little more but I'm not sure how much. 
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Re: Compression questions
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007 - 11:18:44 AM »
you could get a thicker head gasket to bring the compression down on the 10.34 - 1 ....

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Re: Compression questions
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007 - 12:28:44 PM »
I like the 915 heads better but using the same piston that gives you 9.37 :1 with 88cc heads will put you at 10.3 compression probably the best choice is to use the 9.3 piston with the thin steel shim gasket & you will be close to 9.5 which is very pump gas friendly 

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Re: Compression questions
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007 - 10:18:37 AM »
 Thanks, is there a magic number to stay under if you're just going to run pump super?
 
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Re: Compression questions
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007 - 11:08:47 AM »
there is never a "magic" # to stay under , I ran my 440 for 9 years on pump gas at over 11:1 compression with no problems but I had a very long duration cam design bleeding off cylinder pressure at low RPm & never loaded the engine hard below 3000 RPM
 Cam design , timing curves & the way the engine is operated makes a huge difference in what works     

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Re: Compression questions
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007 - 05:40:48 PM »
Cylinder pressure is the magic number that determines pump gas compatibility. Most conversations and articles I've seen say 180 psi is the edge of pump premium. However, like CP alluded to, cam timing is a part of it. As is piston quench, ignition timing, tumble and swirl of the charge, operating altitude, and octane.

It is entirely possible to build a 9:1 engine that detonates more than a 12:1 engine based on the above factors. The manufacturers claim of compression is just the parking lot, of the ball park, of pump gas and compression ratios. For example, the KB190 pistons in my small block can be as high as 11.8:1, but in my application with my cam at my altitude, they only have 110 psi of cranking compression, or a dynamic compression ratio of around 7.5:1.

Check this site out. It is targeted at motorcycles, but 4 stroke engines are pretty much the same. The results can be shocking.  http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/comprAdvHD.htm