Chryco Psyco- gotta question for you

[Moparal]

Is the adjuster rod for the throw out bearing longer on a bb compared to a small block?

I installed my equalizer tube, both the ball ends, and then got down to the adjustment bar for the throw out bearing and it appears to be around 1.5 inches or so too short. 

My car is a 440 with a 23 spline. I believe that maybe I must have a small block thread adjuster since it is too short?
If there is a difference, who sells a good bb adjuster kit? And I need one to be as strong as original and work as good

Thanks for the help, if you can....ALAN

[Chryco Psycho]

Brewers , Passon & Mopar all have the threaded adjuster rods , Mopar lists a .020 longer adjuster for the big block so something else is wrong , possibly a Z bar from a different application with the upper or lower arm at a different angle , Mopar lists the adjuster at 4.880 "

[Moparal]

Thanks, The equalizer is the original for the 318 that was in it from the factory. Of course now I have a 440 installed. The thread bar is about the length (visual) of the size you are saying.  Must be some kind of difference from a small block and big block equalizer I guess. Everything seems like a clean install and went together great cept for the threaded bar not going through the clutch fork. Which will allow it to fall out at some point. I have 1 more e body equalizer somewhere I will have to see if the arm positions are the same. I was wondering if the bar coming from the clutch pedal and through the firewall was shorter maybe.

[Chryco Psycho]

I have in the past extended the adjuster by cutting & welding a tube over to extend the length of short adjusters 

[ShelbyDogg]

Call Mancini and get the longer lenght Rod.  The longer one is about 6.5' long.

[Moparal]

Call Mancini and get the longer lenght Rod.  The longer one is about 6.5' long.

That would cure my problem for sure. I will call and order one so it's working, but I still will want to find out what is different in my system. Thanks for the post, at least I can get it started for now. I was going to do what chryco suggested since back in the day, I had to do that to a 70 road runner. 

[ShelbyDogg]

The Z-bar is also different between a big block and small block too. The arm on the end that goes to the adjuster rod is closer to the end on one of them.  Passon sells the "angled" adjuster rod for this too.   Call them during business hours and they can explain what you need.  They even had the small bushings  that let you adapt a later competion Plus shifter assembly to the stock linkage rods. They can help you with anything for a 4 speed.

[Moparal]

Well I did notice that the angle was off by just a little bit. Not much, but enough to make it hard to put the clip on the adjuster to hold it in place. That was some good info you just gave me...ALAN

[IMNCARN82]

   There are two different sizes of t/o bearings.

[Chryco Psycho]

Yes theh 23 spline is smalller , the 18 spline is larger & seems to be hard to get Mopar still has them & clutch companies like McLeod have them 

[moper]

Forks and bellcranks (Z bars) are different for big blocks too.

[Moparal]

Forks and bellcranks (Z bars) are different for big blocks too.
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I see I have miss matched stuff, but I have resolved the problem and it is working propper now...Thanks for all the help...ALAN

I saw the z bar offset was off about .250 or so and then I got a 1 inch longer aduster rod to make the correct adjustments. Seems to be working....ALAN

[Chryco Psycho]

 

[Moparal]

Well after pulling the 4 speed out today cause something just wasnt right, I finally found my problem.  My new ZOOM pressure plate was bad. The borg and beck fingers were hitting on the disc springs when engaged.

Ever see that before? It was my first. The levers when mounted were spongy and pulled back up 1 inch. So no matter how I adjusted the clutch rod, it wasnt enough. Took 3 hrs to find the problem. Everything looked correct and was installed correct.

Waiting on summit to send me new stuff now.  And maybe I can put the first mile on this car. I hate to leave it set up with gas in all 3 carbs.

[Chryco Psycho]

Glad you found the problem at least
 BTW I am working on a 4 spd E body & the Z bar & fork are the same big or small block , the pivot in the bel is different if the brg retainer is a different size though