VIN tag restoration

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Alaskan_TA

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2007 - 10:08:48 AM »
Quote from the law above;

"§ 170.70 Illegal possession of a vehicle identification number.
    A person is guilty of illegal possession of a vehicle identification number when:

    (1) He knowingly possesses a vehicle identification number label, sticker or plate which has been removed from the vehicle or vehicle part to which such label, sticker or plate was affixed by the manufacturer in accordance with 49 U.S.C. section 32101, et seq. and regulations promulgated thereunder or in accordance with the provisions of the vehicle and traffic law; or "

If he is in possesion of a VIN tag that has been removed from a car, it is illegal.

As far as restoration goes, when the laws were written there were no provisions for removing a tag to replace a bad dash pad. It would be nice if the laws weer amended to allow for that.

The way to have laws amended or changed is to write or call you local congressmen. It is up to each of you to make the call, it has to start somewhere.  :wave:

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2007 - 07:01:29 PM »
Or
(1) Subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration by a person specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection (unless such person knows that the vehicle or part involved is stolen).
(2) The persons referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection are—
(A) a motor vehicle scrap processor or a motor vehicle demolisher who complies with applicable State law with respect to such vehicle or part;
(B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law; and
(D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner of the motor vehicle, or is authorized to remove, obliterate, tamper with or alter the decal or device by—
(i) the owner or his authorized agent;
(ii) applicable State or local law; or
(iii) regulations promulgated by the Attorney General to implement the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act.

The entire post is the link in my first post.
Section B and C  above are important.
Not trying to start a fight here but this whole post looks like apples and oranges.
Dave
« Last Edit: March 24, 2007 - 07:05:05 PM by farmboy70 »

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2007 - 08:16:35 PM »
I am in full parameters of the federal law under subsection 2b & c. And no I am not paranoid Barry. I am supplying a service to better the restoration hobby and the quality of the restorations. Obviously you have something against that. My service is in no way, shape or form illeagal and if I see any other harrassing posts on this forum and/or the moparts forum, i will not hesitate to contact my attorney. Thank you.

Alaskan_TA

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007 - 08:23:55 PM »
Please do. I would be more than happy to discuss your "service" in front of a judge if you want.

Barry

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2007 - 11:00:02 AM »
apparently them replacing a pad in an ebody is illegal?
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2007 - 05:25:04 PM »
Barry,I noticed this months C-C calendar that your dash pad is not in your T/A.I hope you had the proper authorities remove and store it for you so they can reinstall it when you are ready?If not maybe we should call the vin police on you for removing/tampering with it?
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2007 - 05:29:20 PM »
this is getting a little ridiculous don't you think? Or maybe that's your point.
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2007 - 05:30:35 PM »
Barry,why do always leave out these sections?

B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law;
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2007 - 05:31:57 PM »
I do not see your dash pad and therefore your vin attached to your vehicle?
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Alaskan_TA

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2007 - 07:24:26 PM »
Barry,why do always leave out these sections?

B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law;

Well, I have heard that Connecticut has a state law that allows it removing the tag for restoration puposes, but I have not been able to find a copy of it yet.

Assuming for a minute that it is legal in CT, if you are in another state the legal way is to retore your own tag by using one of the rub on transfers from David Patik. As far as I know he is the only one that has them that is actually licensed by Chrysler to use their copyright on the tag.

As far as my dash pad goes, it is on a shelf in the garage above the car.

Barry
« Last Edit: April 02, 2007 - 07:38:16 PM by Alaskan_TA »

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2007 - 08:06:04 PM »
This is what is supposed to happen to "loose" VIN plates. These came in the mail from a couple folks that hoped I could reunite them with the cars they matched. After I learned about the laws concerning "loose" VIN plates, I destroyed them and sent the following photos to a detective that I know who specializes in VIN fraud.

Barry


Before and after photos for your viewing pleasure;



 

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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2007 - 08:59:27 AM »
 didnt you remove the vin tag from the car?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2007 - 06:32:09 PM by ted »
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2007 - 04:37:55 PM »
hmmm.wonder how all those broadcast sheets you have looks like.is it allowed to send those from states to states.
here in norway it is stamping in the body that counts.if you remove the vin tag to get it restored it is no problem.
i cant understand if it could be a problem if you wanted to restore your car and found somebody that could fix your ugly vin tag on a new dashpad.rebody a car is wrong and is not accepted.
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2007 - 05:14:51 PM »
"If he is in possesion of a VIN tag that has been removed from a car, it is illegal."
"As far as my dash pad goes, it is on a shelf in the garage above the car."

Call your buddys in law enforcement and tell them to come to youy house,cut up your vin tag and arrest you for felony vin tampering if you really believe what you are preaching b/c by your own interpretation of the law you are guilty.5' or 500 miles it is not attached to the car.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2007 - 05:22:31 PM by torredcuda »
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Re: VIN tag restoration
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2007 - 05:42:45 PM »
  Barry, i think you've struck a nerve with some folks somewhere along the way... :dunno:
  Fwiw a couple of years ago i looked at and sent some pictures of a 71 'cuda that was for sale in Pensacola to one of the forum members. The fellow seemed on the up and up but made a point of telling me that although he was in posession of the cars complete dash, said dash was not included with the car. With all these Fender Tags and Broadcast Sheets on ebay, i'm now sitting here thinking hmmmmmmm :sly: :sly:
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