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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2007 - 08:53:08 AM »
On a seperate note, I've seen more people interested in mopars and handling in the past two years than I've seen the in the past 20.  I presonally think it is great. I also am really glad to see a major player like XV getting into the mopar market as well. I know there are a lot of GM and Ford guys crying about the increased engineering focus mopars have been getting lately. Guess they'll have to suck it up and get used to seeing our tail lights int eh turn now as well.  :2thumbs:

Everybody loves the look of an old mopar but these days going straight isn't enough for a car. People want a car that would corner and most important-stop. There are 'cudas and challengers with viper suspension, XV challenger, lots of suspension mods for all mopars. There are old muscle cars drifting and so on....Muscle cars will soon take control of the race courses :smilielol: Import lovers won't have chance to say "American Muscle is only for straight line" :poopoke:
But for my firts E-body mopar I will buy a car with stock suspension setup. I want to feel how is to drive a 40 years old car in to the corner  :faint:
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2007 - 11:56:27 AM »

Here is a link to a web site for a French based Cuda running on various European circuits. I'm sure the video from Spa has been posted here mulitple times. This is what appears to be a stock based suspension using torsion bars, sway bars, and multi-leaf springs all mounted in stock locations. This set up that is driven hard against comparable other European makes and it seems to do very well.  http://cuda.skyblog.com/

Ya gotta respect a guy willing to lean on an E body that hard, especially when parts have to come from half a world away.

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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2007 - 02:03:54 PM »
Ya gotta respect a guy willing to lean on an E body that hard, especially when parts have to come from half a world away.
Amen to that! I know how the parts bit is..
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2007 - 02:09:05 PM »
Amen to that! I know how the parts bit is..

Ditto. :thumbsup:
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2007 - 09:08:04 AM »
Since we are on the topic of suspensions, something that is paramount to getting the most performance out of any set up is the ability to transfer motion accuratly and consistently. Before even getting into suspension changes or mods, ensuring you have a stable platform to work on should be priority 1. At the very least these would be torque boxes or subframe connectors. The more power you are planning, the more agressive the driving, or the higher the wheel rates you are planning, the more important this becomes.

XVs stiffening kit is a nice, packaged option for this improvement that can be installed in a completed car with only minimal break down and reassembly work. If you are in the bare chassis stage and want to really step it up and look stock, welding up all the stock, spot welded body seams can also have a major impact on chassis rigidity. Once you get to the "all stops removed", race car on the street stage, then a roll cage with a fully integrated front and rear section is the ultimate in three dimensional support.

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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2007 - 09:11:55 AM »
The first question of this topic was how the AAR cuda or T/A challenger handle but now we are talking about all E-body cars so It may be interesting for you that back in 70s Chrysler sent Hemi and 440+6 cudas to compete on Europe road courses against cars like 911 Porsche, Renault Alpine, Ford Capri,.... They did well in qualifications and were also fast in the corners but "miles per gallon" didn't let them to get high places. Cudas were in the pits all the time to get more petrol.  Hemi Cuda also ran on Le Mans circut in 1971 or 1972 if I am right :clueless: but hemi engine didn't survive 24 hours of racing. In hillclimb race events Cudas were just unbeatable with that torque there was nothing to keep with them. If I am correct there was only one AAR cuda racing in Europe at that time, It was cuda #48 originally driven by Dan Gurney in American Trans Am racing.

There is a topic on transamcuda made by me some time ago. You will get a lot of photos and informations(Thanks to GURSAVSKI :worshippy). Here is the link: http://www.transamcuda.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1122785813/0

I use nick arminator on all sites but here on C-C I didn't get email until I changed my name to Mr. 440SixPack...hmmm :clueless:
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2007 - 02:52:05 PM »
The race AAR's had a pretty serious roll cage setup too...

I know of one car (Cuda) that is going to run the American Iron Series

I'm pretty sure the Z06 has a leaf spring in the front too...

some good info in this thread!
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2007 - 08:38:07 AM »
I won't even get into aero.


If anyone wants to get into the aero aspect of it, go here; http://www.geocities.com/plymouthsd1950/testing/dragforces.html

I'll admit to not reading all the way through this or trying any of the testing they outline, but if your so inclined, post some results for us.

Through asmosis, I'd say the 71-74 Challengers would be better the 70s and Cudas because of the large recessed grill area the former styles comapred to teh latter versions, but that is just speculation on my part.

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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2007 - 03:22:54 PM »
I thought you guys might like to see this. 

It's part of one of the segments on the DVD, haven't even had a chance to put it on our website.
I have a bunch of video I need to get up there.

This is some of the video showing XV001 getting wrung out on a large fast road race track. 

Anyway, it's about 7MB so you may want to save it to disk first.
Windows media .wmv format

Enjoy!


http://www.xvmotorsports.com/media/XV001 on Track.wmv

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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2007 - 03:36:02 PM »
I've got your DVD, and boy that ebody can handle! Just too cool!  :popcorn:
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2007 - 03:25:33 AM »
I found another Video of me driving on Artic Circle Raceway, I was filmed by a guy that got so lucky he could get a ride in the 'Cuda. WARNING it's almost 10 minutes long!  :bigsmile:

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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2007 - 04:53:11 AM »
I thought you guys might like to see this. 

It's part of one of the segments on the DVD, haven't even had a chance to put it on our website.
I have a bunch of video I need to get up there.

This is some of the video showing XV001 getting wrung out on a large fast road race track. 

Anyway, it's about 7MB so you may want to save it to disk first.
Windows media .wmv format

Enjoy!


http://www.xvmotorsports.com/media/XV001 on Track.wmv




 :22yikes: OMG this Challenger is awesome!!! Respect :worshippy

How much does it cost to make one?

Do you have any specifications like skidpad, slalom speed, braking distance,...?

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I found another Video of me driving on Artic Circle Raceway, I was filmed by a guy that got so lucky he could get a ride in the 'Cuda. WARNIG it's almost 10 minutes long! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl1a6q19cwI


Thank you for the video!  :worshippy I will watch it right now!  :bigsmile:

...Great video! You passed almost all cars! What is your average speed on that track?
« Last Edit: May 02, 2007 - 05:12:35 AM by Mr. 440SixPack »
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2007 - 05:47:24 AM »

Thank you for the video!  :worshippy I will watch it right now!  :bigsmile:

...Great video! You passed almost all cars! What is your average speed on that track?


My average speed is about 62 MPH. The track is 2.33 miles long. Height difference on the track is ca 105 ft. The steepest drop is 8.6% and the steepest klimb is 6.2%. A fun track to drive. The track is at 656 ft above sealevel in an old ironmine. It was completed in 1995 with a cost of $10 million.


The track is run counterclockwise.


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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2007 - 07:10:55 AM »
@ jvike, thanks for that info :wave:  :worshippy

One more question :popcorn: What is your top speed on the track?

Here are two videos with cuda in turns and cuda slalom. First one was posted by me in "Burnout" section but I think it will fit better in this topic  :burnout:

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http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cuda/1/bf9d7c49-15e6-4b04-ba4e-aafadcef372d.htm
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Re: AAR / T/A Handling
« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2007 - 07:38:11 AM »
I don't know my topspeed! I'll try to remember to look at the speedo when I hit the track again in about a month! The fastest part of the track is when you go downhill and trough the S curve.
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