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Offline Carlwalski

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EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« on: April 25, 2007 - 01:56:49 AM »


To the point:

Would one be able to tell if a 426ci Hemi (or any engine) had EFI or Carb without looking under the hood? Is there a difference in the exhaust note/sound or can only the car Yodas in the world hear the faint difference? I'm just a little concerned that if I do go EFI, will it sacrifice some snarl and aggression from the exhaust note??


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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007 - 12:51:25 AM »
As soon as we get Drays engine fired I can tell you for sure
 But I do not anticipate any difference , the engine is till going to burn the fuel

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007 - 02:32:52 AM »
 :iagree:  I wouldn't forsee any difference either. It's still getting the same mixture to burn in the cylinder. It's just getting it in a more efficient manner.
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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2007 - 03:25:35 AM »


Thanks for the confidence boost guys.
Let me know when  you get her running and your thoughts Neil. :thumbsup:


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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007 - 09:17:42 AM »
It might idle a tad smoother but it won't run like a Toyota.
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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007 - 05:41:08 AM »
EFI on any engine is kinda neat, but since nobody had the right reply, I will fill you in. You can have it idle as aggressive as you want or as mild or milder than your set-up now.

Generally, most tuners will get you the strongest idle possible. This generally translates into smothest and it will definitly be smoother than your carb. Now once you have the best idle you can get, and you want that muscle car lope back to it, a little change in the fuel table and timing table and its back to its usual sound.

Basically, you have to create a bigger difference from point to point on the fuel table in the idle position, and put in a little more timing in at idle. Also, there is a timing trim table that helps to stabilize the idle, and you can reduce that a little which will allow the engine to climb a little before bring it back. Generally, its easiest by bring up the initial timming and setting bigger differences in the VE points closest to where it idles in the fuel map. Also, you can cut the gain down on the IAC.

I run a street program and a race program in my hemi because of the bug catcher it only rotates about 87* to WOT, and having all that timing and fuel come in as quick as the engine will take it can make for some scary driving. In full race mode, it sounds like a pro-stock car, and in street mode it sounds like a mild mannered big block until you step on it. I also change the exhaust over to a 3" set of flow masters for the street as well. The 3.5" bullets with turn downs on them are really only race legal and really loud. 

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007 - 07:39:29 AM »


Thanks for the lengthy reply dragula. But, I haven't got the engine yet, I'm just wondering what it will sound like when I get it built. It will definitely be EFI, no question. I was just curious as to what if any sound differences there were.


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Carl

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007 - 12:37:09 PM »
You might not have the engine yet, but did you get my e-mail....nice little vid :clapping:

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007 - 09:33:03 PM »


Yeah I did thank you and a reply was sent as soon as I got it.
Sounds nice and "modern" at idle but still has that famous Hemi growl when any throttle is given.

Idle can be changed for a more aggressive sound so I may do that but nothing too major.
I think I'm going to be very happy with EFI. Can't see any cons to it really............oh, yes I can - price. :-\


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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2007 - 11:41:39 PM »


Bump. Just waiting for Neil to see what he thinks of the sound difference on Dray's car.
No rush CP, just keeping it somewhere towards the middle/top so you remember.  :biggrin:


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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007 - 09:57:33 AM »
It will be a while before Drays car gets fired up , Pulley problems etc to fix first 
 I`m sure Dray will have the vid cam on it though  :2thumbs:

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007 - 09:59:16 AM »


Cool, thanks Neil, like I said, wasn't rushing you just bumping it.
I'll give it another bump in 2 to 3 weeks time, hopefully I remember myself.


Ta very much. :wave:
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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007 - 09:34:12 AM »


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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2007 - 06:19:16 AM »
we are still solving problems with Pulleys etc on Drays engine

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Re: EFI vs Carb - Exhaust Note Differences?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2007 - 06:27:36 AM »

we are still solving problems with Pulleys etc on Drays engine


No worries Neil. :cheers:
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TF-727 Gear Vendor OD, Dana 60