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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2007 - 10:41:09 PM »
swap the intake gasket , 1214 for B block , 1215 for Rb , it will keep the intake cool & stop the fuel boiling into the intake

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007 - 01:57:43 PM »
I second the pull off. Also, in regard to the intake gasket swap...the choke needs to be heated by the exh crossover if you stay witht he stock setup. If you've already blocked it, the choke coil will not warm up enough to open fully. I had a Pontiac wagon when I was 16, my dad showed me where to stick the screwdriver while it was warming up to "keep it running..."  :roflsmiley:

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2007 - 09:19:30 AM »
it only does it in the morning, even if it is hot out when i leave. it is only after the car sits over night or for a couple days or even if i dont take a lunch break, it will do it at the end of the day. would that still be the choke? if i go to work and then take lunch, it works fine, but the car wants to die everytime that i come to a stop. and i found that my gas milage went down. now i am only getting 8 MPG. anyone wanna drive up here and help me out. if you are coming to PC for vacation let me know!!!!!  :bigsmile:

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2007 - 09:21:26 AM »
I second the pull off. Also, in regard to the intake gasket swap...the choke needs to be heated by the exh crossover if you stay witht he stock setup. If you've already blocked it, the choke coil will not warm up enough to open fully. I had a Pontiac wagon when I was 16, my dad showed me where to stick the screwdriver while it was warming up to "keep it running..."  :roflsmiley:

what cross over? i have the factory setup but dont know of a cross over

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2007 - 09:40:01 AM »
In the morning is the choke open at all?  What if you first put a small screw driver or something in the carb to open the choke up?  Will it start better then?  Just a thought....


When the car is warmed up is the choke open all the way, or atleast a good amount?  If it's closed partly then it could cause a rich mixture all the time thus possibly explaining your 8mpg.  :2cents:
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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007 - 10:27:33 AM »
I dont think FL is "up" for CP, but I think he travels for work...lol. The cross over is a passage that connects the exh ports of cylinders (IIRC) #4 and #5. So some exhaust gasses can travel under the choke housing and heat it up good. The down side is, it adds heat to the intake itself, and that can rob a little power in some engines. The other bad news is most mopar chokes rely on only that heat to function properly and open all the way. The choke pull off is a vaccum pod on the carb (in the pic above I think) that "pulls" the choke plate open as the car is being driven, even when the choke coil has not fully warmed, and the plate has not fully opened. Otherwise, the car wouldnt run at all above an idle until the choke was open 100%. If it goes bad, the car will run rich until it warms fully. It's common for the vaccum pods to get a pinhole and not hold vaccum any more. If you remove the hose, and compress the diaphram on the pod, then place your finger over the nipple's end, you 'll know if the diaphram is good when you release the diaphram/linkage side. If it holds in the retracted position, the rubber is intact. If it extends back out with the nipple covered, it's got a hole.

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007 - 11:55:19 AM »
i will take pics of my engine and of my carb later tonight. i dont know about this crossover. i dont think that mine has one.

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007 - 08:16:10 PM »
pics

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007 - 08:16:54 PM »
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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007 - 09:55:05 PM »
Whith the motor COLD depress the accelorator once to set, the choke coil pushes up YELLOW ARROW to close the choke. The diaphragm pulls PURPLE ARROW the choke open a little as soon as the car starts.  First make sure all the linkage is free & not binding, check the diaphragm by sucking on the tube to see if it holds. If all is in proper working order then adjustments can be made by bending the linkages to shorten or lengthen to make operation effective. A rebuild kit will have specific measurements to make for your model.
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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2007 - 04:47:06 AM »
The "V" in the diaphragm rod is where you adjust it. :2thumbs:
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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2007 - 05:53:17 AM »
more pics, this is the carb sitting (not running) after being shut off for about an hour and a half

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2007 - 10:36:48 AM »
See how all the paint is burnt off the intake under the choke? That's the heat from the cross over that burnt it. So does the vaccum pod hold vaccum then?

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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2007 - 10:47:31 AM »
 :iagree: w/moper

you need to determine if the choke pull off is good, then if it is good, you need to see how far the pull off opens the choke using a vacuum pump while applying light downward pressure to the forward portion of the choke plate. You should do all this stuff before you start the car after it has been sitting overnight or 6 hours.

On another note, you should fix the large breather hose going to the air cleaner, looks like it's pinched off. Does your oil (check the dipstick) smell like gas?
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Re: loading up every mornining
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2007 - 10:54:51 AM »
what breather hose? the only on that i see that looks pinched is the ones on the back of the air cleaner and the only reason it looks pinched is because i was just leaning the air cleaner back , didnt pull it off. also, it didnt seem like the pull off worked this morning, i full throttled it before starting and the choke closed but then i checked for movement and it didnt seem to work, i will check for smell of gas i just a bit, back to work now