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Offline Carlwalski

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Scatter Shield?
« on: June 25, 2007 - 10:19:56 AM »


I'm not 100% sure if I need one but it doesn't hurt, right? Who makes the best out there? I did a search but there weren't too many helpful results. I saw Lakewood and also someone mention spending some extra $ and getting a SFI certified scatter shield. Where do they go exactly? Just above the flywheel on the tunnel or is it actually part of the bellhousing or bolts to the BH? Should I expect any fitment/clearance woes ie: headers/exhaust because of installing a scatter shield? My resto shop planned to make a custom one but if I can get a well known brand that is a bolt in that will save time & money for the same results then that is the way I'll go.


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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007 - 11:15:09 AM »
I'm assuming you have a 4 speed car. I'm not aware of anyone other than Lakewood making the bellhousing. Check out their site http://lakewoodindustries.com/ProductsListByMinID.aspx?BrandID=5&minID=1521&majID=152&selection=0&minselection=0
They are SFI certified.  This unit replaces the stock bellhousing.  Mine did interfere with the tunnel at the seam and I had to grind the flange to get header clearance.  They are a good idea if you are going to hook-up ie slicks or drag radials.  I'm not as familiar with auto tranny safety blankets but they are available to protect against tranny explosions.
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007 - 03:35:09 PM »
They make SFI approved automatic ones now too.  I think it's made by JW and called the Ultrabell.  The old 727 bell is ground and cut off, then the new bell attaches at the front pump bolts.  That was the way to get a 518 behind a bigblock.

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Offline Carlwalski

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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007 - 09:54:57 PM »


I've got a Keisler 5-Speed so will this give me trouble if I purchase one for a 4-Speed (A833) :dunno:

I could only find this one that looks right: http://lakewoodindustries.com/ProductDetails.aspx?brandId=5&productID=8814970&majID=152&minID=1521&selection=&minselection=

The small block one had a TKO housing but no Big Block one available. :crying: http://lakewoodindustries.com/ProductDetails.aspx?brandId=5&productID=8814968&majID=152&minID=1521&selection=&minselection=

Thanks for the help guys.  :cheers:
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007 - 12:37:42 AM »
I would ask Keisler what willwork with their tranny

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Offline Carlwalski

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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007 - 12:43:42 AM »



Good idea. Will call tomorrow and let anyone else know what they suggest for future queries. :thumbsup:
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007 - 05:38:20 AM »
Keisler does make their own bell to adapt the tremec.  One thing good about the Lakewood is that it is steel and can be drilled and welded on.   See if your Keisler will use a stock mopar flywheel so that a stock mopar starter will be used, if not you're stuck with their bell. SFI app or not.
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007 - 06:36:44 AM »


I just checked their website and they do stock steel Lakewood scatter shields to suit their Tremecs.
They have their own inspection cover (steel) so no need to buy a replacement one.

I'm not sure what you mean Rob? I'll be using a lightweight mini starter (not a MP one). So, what I have to ask them is if my mini starter will fit, yes? I just asked them if the Lakewood shield/housing will need any modifications to fit my Hemi/tunnel.
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007 - 06:55:26 AM »
What I was saying was this;

If Keisler made their own Bell and had you use their flywheel, starter and clutch,  Then you couldn't use a Lakewood shield for a Mopar and modify it to fit the Tremek.  I didn't know Tremec has a Lakewood shield now.  In some of those kits, you just swapped the clutch disk to have the right splines as the tranny's input shaft.


I talked to the Tremec factory guys at their tent on the Power Tour.  If I heard them right, they are making a TKO 600 to bolt into a Mopar?    I got pulled away and didn't get any more details. ANYONE?
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007 - 09:37:22 AM »

Oh, OK, so I don't have to worry about anything now. :cheers:  All it says in their website in the Mopar section is "Big Block Lakewood Bellhousing Pressed Steel (modified for use with Tremec TKO)" - $469 My transmission I got in my kit (3 months ago) is a TKO-600 and they offer two styles a 0.64 ratio and a 0.82 ratio trans. If that is what you're asking. They also sell the older TKO-500. Both the TKO-600s are rated at a continuous 650hp.
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007 - 10:02:17 AM »
Oh, OK, so I don't have to worry about anything now. :cheers:  All it says in their website in the Mopar section is "Big Block Lakewood Bellhousing Pressed Steel (modified for use with Tremec TKO)" - $469 My transmission I got in my kit (3 months ago) is a TKO-600 and they offer two styles a 0.64 ratio and a 0.82 ratio trans. If that is what you're asking. They also sell the older TKO-500. Both the TKO-600s are rated at a continuous 650hp.

I was just getting ready to let you know that they they do indeed sell modified Lakewood Bell housings for their transmissions.  It is exactly what I have for my motor.  The mods are clearly visible around the transmission mounting holes.  I am kind of curious about the SFI certification.  The certification sticker clearly states that modifications void the certification.  So...  :dunno:

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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2007 - 11:04:37 AM »


So, I shouldn't need to do any modifications? Just a "bolt on" product?  :dunno:


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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007 - 11:11:46 AM »
I would still be prepared to do slight mods to the tunnel at the seam and to grind the flange to get header clearance ( I have small block TTI's).
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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2007 - 11:13:31 AM »


Slight mods are OK, a little bashing here and there is fine. Gear Vendors type "mods" not what I am after. I hope this Keisler Kit doesn't throw any major headaches my way....I can't be bothered with any more drama with warranties and items not working.

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Re: Scatter Shield?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007 - 11:56:35 AM »
Matt63 is right on.  Even with the TTI's and a Hemi, you will need to grind a little on the passenger side for header clearance.  Tunnel mods will also be necessary, but not insane.  I have heard that every car is a little different, so the mod to the transmission hump might be all that is required, where as other cars will require that mod plus a little to the top passenger side of the hump near the feet.   Then you can add the possibility of modifying the seam area.