need help with 70 challenger.. r/t or normal?

[toplescuda]

Vin Sticker on the door?

Lunch

hmm never thought of that....

[Alaskan_TA]

Hold up parter, I have not said that the car IS stolen. I am saying that it is the most COMMON reason for people to swap VIN numbers and sell cars with the wrong title.

One more time, even if the car is NOT stolen it is still illegal. Right now he can pin it on the seller. If he knowingly titles the car with the replaced VIN and title then he is just as guilty as the seller.

It is up to you to help your pal.

You can read up on the Federal and some of the state VIN laws here;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/VINfraud/VINfraud.shtml

Please read my comments again, I am trying to help you help your friend, that is all. 

Barry

[toplescuda]

yes i see your side and im not trying to hammer on ya or anything  buddy and his wife is spossed to try to get a hold of hi-way patrol tommarow and all will be good in the end  im just really happy for him that he just got this killer deal  i dont really care for dodge cars  but it is a nice car for what he paid for it

[FM3V6M]

OK this is a REALLY dumb question but does this mean if someone has a cracked dash and buys a mint used one on e-bag or somewhere and replaces the old cracked dash with the new mint one it is illegal to put the VIN tag from the old cracked one on to the new mint one?  If so, how does one legally replace thier sh*tty dash with a new aftermarket or used dash?  What do you do with the original VIN tag? Is the only legal option to have the original dash restored by Just-Dashes or someone (keeping the original VIN tag in place)? Just curious, but I'm really confused now. Thanks!

[Alaskan_TA]

That is a different issue than swapping one cars numbers to another but....

Yes, technically moving a VIN from a dash pad, placing it on a new dash pad and installing the same VIN back in the car it came from is illegal.

Would a cop be likely to prosecute you for it? Not likely, but he could.

If you send your dash pad to Just Dashes with the VIN tag in place they will destroy it.

Most state laws have no provision for removing the dash VIN for restoration purposes. Of the state laws I have read, Georgia has a provision for it.

If you do not like your state laws on the issue, it is up to you to contact your states legislators and ask them to change the laws. 

Barry

[FM3V6M]

Thanks Barry, so TECHNICALLY speaking just about EVERYONE doing a complete restoration including famous resto-shops (ala Roger Gibson, Aloha, et al) are breaking the law(assuming that those mint dashes in their award winning cars are not mint originals to begin with)?  Thanks again.

[Alaskan_TA]

Well, I suggest that you read the laws at the link I posted earlier, then you tell me. 

Also, if anyone has links to the VIN laws for the states that I do not have listed yet, please let me know? Other countries too for that matter. 

Barry

[FM3V6M]

Wow, thank again Barry for the info!

[ted]

stolen or not its still illegally titled/vin swapped.

[Challenger6pak]

stolen or not its still illegally titled/vin swapped.

  You can't have one VIN on the cowl or core support and a different one on the dash VIN tag.

[toplescuda]

well i would thank everyone  as i doubt i come here anymore  or recomend this site to anyone else as i have in the past   i asked for some pointers as to  how could i tell if the car was possible a r/t or not
  i have concluded after some discoverys that i made on my own that the car is not ...only 2 people answered  to the orignal post and i thank you   il have to tell my buddy that he should take his nice challenger and have a bulldozer run over it cause its just a worthless pile of junk (in your eyes)
 there is no attempt to defraud as he paid less then 5k for the car (a rust free running 70 challenger with nice 340 perfict int. mind you)
  all you guys can do is bicker  about is weather or not the car is stolen or if its right or wrong to swap the dash pad or not....none of this was asked in the orignal post so this has pushed me to  not want to visit this site any more...
may i sugest that in the future  you guys want to talk about if its right or wrong(i never said it was ok for what the orignal guy to swap the dash) about this matter  you mail or pm each outher  and not ruin a thread or run off a e body  die hard member off as you have done in this case     ralph...toplescuda

[toplescuda]

  You can't have one VIN on the cowl or core support and a different one on the dash VIN tag.

there is no vin on the cowl we looked  only stamped"0b339868 and the stamping on the raditor support is also stamped like that  but very hard to read cause filled in with paint  i also went out and looked at a fron clip to a challenger i bought for frame rails and a inner fender  that there is no vin # stamed on it  just the last couple diggits of possible the vin or may be just a part #

[ChallengerHK]

there is no vin on the cowl we looked  only stamped"0b339868 and the stamping on the raditor support is also stamped like that  but very hard to read cause filled in with paint  i also went out and looked at a fron clip to a challenger i bought for frame rails and a inner fender  that there is no vin # stamed on it  just the last couple diggits of possible the vin or may be just a part #

What you're reading on the cowl and radiator support are partial VINs.  They should match the last 8 digits of the car's "real" VIN, which, if the sheet metal is original, should be found on a sticker in the driver's door jam.  It can also be found on the broadcast sheet if it's still with the car.  What you have there is probably enough to run a check for a stolen vehicle.

For what it's worth, I'd listen to Barry.  He is very knowledgeable, very helpful, and trying to keep your friend out of trouble.  If I were in your friend's position I'd be VERY concerned about some of this and proceeding very carefully.  It's not a question of the car's worth; it's a cool car one way or another.  This question is about legality. Having a car with an incorrect VIN tag is roughly analagous to owning a pistol without a permit, and both can get you into a lot of trouble.

[toplescuda]

ok i went and looked down in the shop at my 2 cudas and challenger  and that is the last # of the vin  but that is not what i asked in the orignal post was it?  in the first 3 post  from barry is the word stolen.....then the whole bickkering starts so thanks for ruining the post.... i personnly dont care one way or the outher if it is stolen or not (its not my car)  more then likely it is not but that is not the point  point is i asked a simple ? nothen more
this is  NOT this first time this has been brung up so why not just leave it at the door so we can all enjoy the site???

[moparclown]

I don't think anyone is busting on you?But just trying to give the owner a heads up.