Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)

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dodgetkboy78

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2005 - 12:56:08 AM »
Oh, yeah, it is faster than any Mopar I have ever been in.  (embarrassed little smiley guy goes right here)




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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2005 - 08:59:54 PM »
Dodgetkboy78 said "doink"!!  That's as funny as the rest of this thread!
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« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2005 - 10:14:52 PM »
"speaking of money and power what is the leader in MPH in funny cars ??? it was a 329.22mph if I recall and it was not a forb/cheb"

Dunno if anyones said this but one of John Forces Mustangs hit 330, was the first and I think still the only Funny Car to hit 330.

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« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2005 - 01:28:18 AM »
Dodgetkboy78 said "doink"!!  That's as funny as the rest of this thread!

Well? Try keeping reliable valvetrain in a BB chev!

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2005 - 11:41:29 AM »
Never let it be said that Vpointcuda was untruthfull ! In Colechester ,Conn. in 1981 I was running my 340 '70 cuda 4-speed against a 1970 Chebbie Vega with a 427 cu/in Big Block. That guy wiped up the track with my 340 and slapped my in the kisser with the slab of asphalt ! I turned in a respectable 14.8 second run, but lets face facts , Cu/in = HP! ! !
Its all in the mathmatics of the beast!  Heres another example !     CU/IN + $ $ $ = BIG HP!
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2005 - 12:42:55 AM »
I ran in the mid 11's with a 318, not many Chevs on the street could run that good..............

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2006 - 10:15:58 PM »
Racing wise...lets not forget history.  When mopar invented the hemi, it DOMINATED the races.  And GM did actually "steal" the hemi head design with their "Vortec" heads.  Originals are always better :cheers:
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« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2006 - 08:35:34 AM »
I dunno how to answer here !
I did a lot of street racing back in the 70's & 80"s, as well as lots of track runs, at sanctioned events. Won a lot !, lost a lot too !

But if I were to go back to the original question, If I can call it that, a "true" 375 hp/396 was a very stout performer. I say "true", because all too often, 325 and 365 hp cars were called 375 hp cars for "embellishment of the kill" . Likewise, the same goes for "actual" LS6 chevelles. Every "Kill" was an LS6, when in fact the majority were more probably "terd" truck motors or "clones" with anemic powerplants.

Back to my answer.
Having been an engine builder in those days, who hung out with the same, we raced each other "all the time", and were full well "cognizant" of what each other had.
We "OWNED" machine shops, hung out, and raced together, albeit, we "Flagged" ourselves true to different manufacturers, mine being MOPAR.
My philosophy was always to build upon an engines strengths, but only, if it didn't compound a designs weakness.
Far more to a Drag Race, or Street race, than a Dyno sheet !
Nothing better than beers, after handing Mr. bowtie a loss, by a full tenth and 2 mph, same weight cars, when he's got 40 hp and 25 ft/lb on 'ya, yes, SAME DYNO !

He re-gears for the next week, same story but same mph, close, but still no cigar.

New driver, better light at tree, drove around him at the end, same good tasting BEER !

I had in the mid 80's, and still got today, a "standing bet" with this guy, and he is a MAJOR Chev Engine Shop !, that "anytime" he wishs, he take a '78 454, me a '78 440, we're both on a budget of $1500, (that would have to be adlusted for todays economics), and we'll go at it, with the final product in cars of equal weight. Only rule was "stock" valve sizes.

Yes, I still own "enough" machine equipment, CK10, CH100, Blockmaster, etc., etc. just don't use it much anymore as semi-retired, he's still MAJORLY in business.

That used to shut him up in the 80's, I suspect it still would today, although we both have far less testosterone these days, and neither of us really give a "Rat's ass' anymore !

This is a fact !
We Had a '70 Duster, we did it for a "FUN street" beater, lots of donated parts, 4.10, 27" tire, 904 3500 stall, "STOCK 1974 318 bottom end" !!!!!!!, better rod bolts, "STOCK" pistons swapped Bank to Bank, Hyd. Cam, "LOW COMP"., that ran consistent 13.5's @ 105 ! (bad holeshot too !)
In the early 80's this thing "stomped" stock/actual 375/396 chevelles, or just about anything else for that matter, on the street.
It took a very stout Chevelle to run actual mid 13's in those days.

Nothing better than relating that, "that 340", was actually a 318 !. Had that car up on the jack more than once for guys to "take a 'boo" at the block casting !

Lots and Lots of "poopy pants" and crushed Chev Ego's from that car in those days !

Last word, it didn't matter what class, street or strip, "frigged up pushrod geometry", or what ever, with some work, the HEMI was KING !

'Nuff said, check the record books !

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2006 - 06:31:26 PM »
Back when i had my stock 318 duster, a guy I knew with a 69 nova said he just got done putting a 327 out of a vette under the hood and wanted to race.  Well, I knew I'd get beat but what the he*l ! Well, I got the hole shot and stayed with him till right at the last of the quarter.  He beat me by about a half a car length, but I never imagined my little wee18 was gonna keep up like that! :burnout:


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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2006 - 10:24:52 PM »
Back when i had my stock 318 duster, a guy I knew with a 69 nova said he just got done putting a 327 out of a vette under the hood and wanted to race.  Well, I knew I'd get beat but what the he*l ! Well, I got the hole shot and stayed with him till right at the last of the quarter.  He beat me by about a half a car length, but I never imagined my little wee18 was gonna keep up like that! :burnout:

Ah, but 327 Vettes were fast, because Vettes are fiberglass, and very light for a V-8 car.  You take that 327 and put it in something as heavy as a Nova, and it'll slow down considerably.

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« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2006 - 12:52:35 PM »
Actually if you put a Vette & a Nova on a scale you will find the Vette to be a LOT heavier
 while the vette has a fiberglass body shell it is heavy glass not thin race stuff & the chassis is a full steel frame & because the vette cannot use the body as a ground there is a lot more wiring in the cars also as most circuits need 2 wires [power & ground to them], the mid 70s Vettes wee the worst at almost 4000 lbs & no power under the hood either

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2006 - 08:18:32 AM »
Well my 1969 Road Runner (383 auto) race only two cars and got beat by both 1 out of 3 times.

1st was against a high school buddies Mustang GT 302.  On launch a unbalance drive shaft broke my tail housing and dumped the fluid and lost while stuck in first.  Finally figured out the problem fixed and request the next 2 of our agreed upon 3 races.  I smoked him easily.

2nd was another Mustang this time a LX and supposedly the fastest thing around my area for the time.  1 race blew traction and could not run him back down.  Races 2 and 3 I pedaled easy of the line letting him slip away a bit but keeping my traction. Shifting into 2nd I grabbed all of the throttle left and it was as if he slammed on the breaks.

My driving skills would have made it hard to win in the 1/8th though simply because of traction problems.

At the track a set of slicks would have help my inadequacies behind the pedal.

I do have a Chevy Truck weighing 4000lbs running 8.3 in the 1/8th with a 383 stroker naturally aspirated so it is pretty stout for a truck and also a daily driver.  I out ran a Mustang 302 with NOS with it but also lost that night at the strip to a nice Mopar the only car to give me a loss of the ones I raced.


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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2006 - 10:38:45 AM »
 :lol: I just saw this post and there are some pretty funny posts. As you probably know I have a 67 Vette with a 500+ horsepower big block that I built for about four k. I just sold a 70 Challenger with a 14k 472 Hemi in it. Which was faster? I drove both and they
both felt about the same but the Vette felt a little wilder partly because it has 11:1 compression and the independant rear suspension just collapses under the power. I still have the Vette, its just a nicer car with the style and quality of the dash and interior. Most of today's public doesn't even know what the Challenger is anymore. They always know the Vette. Back in the early seventies I ran a 70 440 Challenger, a 69 Road Runner, and a 69 Dart with a 440 Six Pack motor in it at Fremont Raceway. The Dart ran in the 12's, the stock Challenger had a hard time with a 14.10 with several runs. The Road Runner did hit 13:90's. Chyco is right about the Vette's. They do have a full frame and are heavy cars but you can get them to run pretty fast. If you had a 67 327/350 HP Vette motor in a early Nova you'd have a pretty fast little car. My third car when I was 17 was a 71 Cuda and so I got the one I have now. Its a great looking car and actually does much better at the shows than the Vette, but that Vette is a blast to drive! The cuda sitting next to the Vette is my brother's. Its a 440/4 Speed/Dana car. It runs good but its not ready for the Vette in its stock form. It all comes down to who builds the car and either how much they spend and/or how much they know!
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2006 - 01:36:20 AM »
Exactly what he said above !

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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2006 - 04:21:56 PM »
  Just curious, but have yall ever lost ? Or only post the kills where you win in a situation like this ? Because I was a big fan of the '69 chevelle SS 396/375hp (11:1 compression)...muncie.... and was about to buy one too. I cannot see how a 340 6pack, 383,360, or your 318's could whoop up on a car like this.

No offense to you, but there is a lot more to engine engineering than what your post indicates.  I've known of 383s, 360s, and 340s that have 500+ ft/lb. of torque.  It depends on what is in the engine.

A 396 that only produced 375 horsepower seems pretty tame to me.

I like Chevy muscle cars, but EVERYONE owns one.  That's what attracts me to Mopars.