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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2006 - 01:11:28 PM »
No offense to you, but there is a lot more to engine engineering than what your post indicates.  I've known of 383s, 360s, and 340s that have 500+ ft/lb. of torque.  It depends on what is in the engine.

A 396 that only produced 375 horsepower seems pretty tame to me.

I like Chevy muscle cars, but EVERYONE owns one.  That's what attracts me to Mopars.
YES, EVERYONE HAS THEM. I was raised on Chevys and still love them, but everyone has them and it always seems to me that the MOpar crowds at the car shows seem more interested in musclecars and really seem to suit my personality more because most of them are fun people. Anyway, I can assure you, the L78 was a very potent power plant. Chevy just had a bunch of monkeys designing everything else. The coil springs out back just couldnt handle that engine in the Chevelle and the leaf springs on the Novas and Camaros could do much better. Now, I know all musclecar have traction problems, but the wheels of the L78s, set up stock, will hop, bounce, spin, smoke, and do almost everything possible including beg for mercy. Look at the trap speeds, the things came in moving 100 mph with 3.55s. Hot rod drove one through the paces with headers and slicks and it ran a 13.6. Traction bars could have really helped. Anyway, the things were not unlike the Hemis. They good off the line, but they pulled like a freight train up to 7 grand, the LS6s were almost the same. Anyway, you might take a Chevelle down. An L78 Nova, however, is the ultimate wof in sheeps clothing. They used to blast around a 14 flat at 101. Now, check your Mopars, when they hit 101 in the quarter they were most likely running a few tenths faster than a 14 flat. If you pull up next to an L78 Nova with anything other than stock tires and the driver looks at all sneaky, turn the other way unless your running some serious harware. I can go on all day about how underrated certain Mopar engines are too, but an L78, well, DONT BE TALKIN' 'BOUT MA L78! Seriously though, L78s are like the great early rock and metal bands that will never get the credit deserved to them, even though everyone has a Chevy and you would think everyone would worship them but hey, theres so many Chevy guys and not enough info to educate them all.




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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2006 - 01:52:04 PM »
The only car to beat a hemicuda was Ray Allens 454 Chevelle convert. And the mopar guys put and illegal hemi in the car to beat him then they would red light so as not to win and get inspected and let another mopar clean up. As it turned out, the chevy and mkiller hemi both disqualified and never met, but the chevy had the best time........

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2006 - 01:58:05 PM »
If it came down to building everything with no stock parts, which im not really into, I think the Hemi would win for sure because its always going to have those big combustion chambers unshrouding the valves. Even if it wasnt max, I would usually put a Mopar on top but Chevys can be built stout too. Another thing that I dont like about the Chevy crowd though is that alot of them do that G machine bullsh*t which I really hate.

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2006 - 07:28:14 PM »
If it came down to building everything with no stock parts, which im not really into, I think the Hemi would win for sure because its always going to have those big combustion chambers unshrouding the valves. Even if it wasnt max, I would usually put a Mopar on top but Chevys can be built stout too. Another thing that I dont like about the Chevy crowd though is that alot of them do that G machine bullsh*t which I really hate.

If your building it with no stock parts etc all you have to do is look at what engine is run in the top fuellers. You can hardly call it a Chrysler motor anymore but it should ain't based on a Chevy.
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2006 - 09:47:09 PM »
He who has the most money wins, regardless of company preference.

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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2006 - 04:55:10 PM »
He who has the most money wins, regardless of company preference.
Pretty much true. :grinyes:

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2006 - 12:25:56 PM »
He who has the most money wins, regardless of company preference.

 I tend to disagree , we raced a $100,000 Chev truck , tube chassis , Us engine shipped in, with a 71 GTX with a 871 blown 440 with subframes & a roll cage & ladderbars ,total budget was $18,ooo , we ran 10.04 @ 136 , the truck ran 10.8 @124

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2006 - 01:04:57 PM »
   While it is true that you can make a brick fly if you put enough money into it, if you look back at the facts, you will clearly see that Ma Mopar truly put out the baddest design....   This was true on the streets as well as the 2 main US sanctioning bodies for car racing:  NHRA & NASCAR.   Cases in point:
1)  NASCAR---when the factories started really getting behind the racing effort in the early 60's, it was Moper that brought out the 426 Hemi and quickly started dominating the sport.  Then the wing cars were in the stable and the other manufacturers could no longer compete.  SO......  NASCAR took the wing cars away and mandated the 426 HEMI's could not run 2 four barrel carbs any longer.  Mopar got with Holley and out came the big Dominator carbs.  The Hemi's still won.  NASCAR made several rule changes to level the playing field between manufacturers. By the time they got them reasonably even, the Hemi was discontinued as a street powerplant and NASCAR was moving to small block engines. The NASCAR folks were ticked at MOPAR for working through the restrictions, and when the rule mandated that all manufacturers had to run a small block, they pretty much ruled Mopar out.  The rule was 355 CI max.  The Chebbie 350 and Blue Oval 351 were easy to get up to 355, but the Mopar was only 340 CI which was hard to get to the 355 max and keep high rpm, 500 mile reliability.  The Mopar 360 was too large, so Mopar bowed out for years until the rules were changed and the climate for Mopars was improved. NASCAR could just as easy made the rule 360 max and ALL the players could have stayed in the game, but they wanted to punish Mopar.

2) NHRA---In NHRA Pro-Stock in the late 60's and early 70's, Mopar had many Hemi Pro stockers that pretty much took everything....SO....   NHRA mandated that Hemi pro Stockers had to start carrying more weight that the other manufacturers.  At 1 point, the Mopar pro stockers were carrying close to 500 lbs MORE than the Camaros and Mustangs they were racing.  With the extra 500 pounds, the Mopars could qualify, but near the bottom of the ladder and seldom could win an event.  Once again, Mopar got out. The rules were so biased against them, they couldn't reasonably compete.  They have raised the max CI for ALL cars in Pro Stock and Mopar competes relatively well again.  BTW---the Mopar Pro-Stock program has done very well since they were several years behind the others in actual testing and competition.

3)NHRA--Top Fuel---The Mopar Hemi design has been the dominant engine in this catagory for more than 35 years.  Other designs have come along and tried to unseat the Hemi as the King, but they have all failed.  The Hemi design is the best performance design to date.  8000 horsepower and mid 4 second ET's pretty much sums it up.  Nothing else can duplicate this with the same reliability.

To sum it up, other manufacturers have their engines and their followers, but if you want the dominant powerplants/drivetrains, then the choice is crystal clear.............   MOPAR RULES!!!!     :burnout:   :cooldancing: 
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2006 - 02:15:39 PM »
Actually in Nascar the 355 ruled , a lot of Pettys victories were in the 73-74 Charger with the 355 , it was lack of RWD body styles that eliminated Mopar to the delight of Ford & Gm , in 71 they were allowed to run either wing cars with 355 engines Or non wing with the Hemi & after the wing cars came close to winning anyway Nascar banned the body altogehter
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2006 - 03:45:07 PM »
Richard petty was the King and had a career that may never be rivaled by anyone.  But according to his own stats, he won most of his races during the Hemi years:
1966--8 wins
1967--27 wins
1968--16 wins
1969--10 wins  (Ford year)
1970--18 wins
1971--21 wins

Subtotal--100 wins
Subtract the 10 Ford wins in '69

Total-- 90 wins

Nearly half of his 200 wins during his 34 year career (1958-1992) were during the Hemi years. ('69 was the Ford year)

1971 was the last year of the Hemi and 1972 was the year the small block rule was implemented

1972--8 wins
1973--6 wins
1974--10 wins
1975--13 wins
1976--3 wins
1977--5 wins

Total--45 wins

Twice as many wins during the Hemi years.  Great match---Petty and the Hemi cars.. 

I got that info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Petty#The_1960s

Scroll down for his racing career by year..................     :cooldancing:     
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2006 - 06:38:17 PM »
1964 was also a Hemi year. 9 wins. Don't know what he drove in 1965 but it sure wasn't a Hemi.

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2006 - 07:41:22 PM »
1964 was also a Hemi year. 9 wins. Don't know what he drove in 1965 but it sure wasn't a Hemi.

I went from the small block changeover year (1972) and went 6 years before and after just to keep from typing the entire career.  I used those years to demonstrate the winning ways of the Hemi design.  BTW....there were several other drivers winning and coming in 2nd a lot with Plymouth and Dodge Hemi power.  They weren't just for King Richard...    :cheers:   :cooldancing: 
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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2006 - 02:48:05 AM »
true the Hemi ruled , the small block still was no slouch
65 should have been hemi powered

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2006 - 10:50:35 PM »
Back to the original question, there are a lot of variables in who would win. Theres no way in the world a 318 is gonna beat a 396 375hp Chevelle. Getting into the 340 and big block cars, displacement will obviously give you an advantage. However, you must also take into account; weight, aerodynamics, driver experience, and gearing. Sure Mopar built some stronger bottom ends, but this does not translate into faster ET's, only durability. I had a 400 small block camaro that would have whooped on just about any stock mopar, even the Hemi's (12.18 with Radial GT's and stock suspension- added slicks, shocks and traction bars and hit high 10's), ....but it obviously was not stock. Mopars, Fords and GM all took losses, just don't expect anyone to come in here and brag about it.

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Re: Chevy vs. MOPAR (question)
« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2006 - 11:16:43 PM »
SO true about the strong bottom ends. A guy I know had a 70's ram with a 440, and one day he was on the free way with a load of gravel in the bed and accidently knocked the truck into reverse. Instead of breaking anything, the truck backed up, luckily there was no one else near by so no accident. Just a surprise reversal.
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