Military Members Question

Author Topic: Military Members Question  (Read 1229 times)

sleepychallenger

  • Guest
Military Members Question
« on: July 16, 2007 - 10:07:58 PM »
Ok all you military folks, I am in the Air Force and my sister is in the USCG. Well tonight she got physically abused by some of the other people on her station and has many bruises and cuts. Well, she got back to the station and her OD (Officer of the Day) and Operations Officer ordered her just to go to bed. All other members involved were then told to fill out statements of the events. Is is just me or does something sound not quite right here. If one of your troops came back in this condition would you do more than just order them away. I told her to go to MEO as she is the only female on station (only 30 people) and file a report. I know that i may be over reacting because she is my little sister but what if it went further than just bruises and cuts. Assault is serious, just as serious as when you add the word sexual in front of it.  :feedback: :banghead:
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007 - 08:38:51 PM by sleepychallenger »




Offline Carlwalski

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 20672
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007 - 10:20:26 PM »


That sucks mate, I get aggro too when people even think of messing with my family. If I were your Sister, I would let it slide, if she's OK and it's only a few minor bruises and cuts keep her head up and show those boys it didn't mean shlt to her. Rather than going to "tell" on them, she should show them it'll take more than a few sissy slaps to bring her down. She gain a lot of respect for that. Though, this is what I'd do, serious or minor and I'm not sure what kind of person your Sister is or just how bad it actually was. When it turns to sexual assault, that's a whole different story and the appropriate measures and protocol should be taken, bruises and cuts heal, not rape.


:2cents:
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T
White, License Plate, 0A-5599
540ci Aluminium Hemi, F.A.S.T EFI
TF-727 Gear Vendor OD, Dana 60

Alaskan_TA

  • Guest
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007 - 10:40:57 PM »
She needs to report it ASAP. If these clowns get away with it once, they will very likely do it again. Maybe with her, maybe with another victim. Nail them now while the bruises are fresh.

Barry


Offline The Cuda Guy

  • Support Our Troops
  • Resident
  • ****
  • Posts: 3899
  • Pearl Harbor, HI
    • C-C.com
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007 - 12:02:06 AM »
The biggie is was there alcohol involved on her end?  Also have her take date stamped photos of any injuries such as her name, ssn, date on a small piece of paper and take the photos of the wounds with paper in view.  From there she needs to contact her chain of command and if she doesn’t get the support she is looking for then she needs to contact her local Inspector Generals office (IG) to see what options are available to her. 

Once again if there was alcohol involved then it gets touchy from there (just keeping it real) he said she said ect. 

Its hard to throw this type of question out there, the advice Im giving is coming from an Army point of view, each service has their own culture such Army is diferent than Navy, Marines are diferent than Army ect. so my point of view is skewed from the Army side.  Keep that in mind when asking questions such as this.  Good luck hope things go her way.  If you need anything from me let me know.   

Cuda Guy 
The Cuda Guy Project is on going!

Member Since January 14, 2002

Offline Lunchbox

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1948
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007 - 12:41:58 AM »
Thats totally BS. The OD should have done more. I can about imagine how this got out of hand quick like and brushed under the rug. The right thing for her to do is to move it up the chain, weather its MEO or the commander of the OD. If she is hesitant to do this there might be more to the story or she is afraid of the ramifications.

Either way there is no place for this in our kind of work...

Keep us up to date

Lunch

sleepychallenger

  • Guest
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007 - 05:15:14 AM »
Well, she had gone out with these folks for a going away for one of them. She had a beer and a margarita at 1845. the events all took place at 2300. She is not a light weight either. The guys kept drinking. then one of the guys started wrestling with her and she kept telling him to let her go etc. they then threw her in their car, wouldnt tell her where they were going. she knew by looking out the window that they were going back to the station. when she got there the OD was woken up and kept telling her that she was plastered and just to go to bed. Of course with the bruises and cuts on her she didnt feel this was acceptable, drunk or not, so she called me for advice. My advice (from an AF point of view) was there is a chain of command for a reason, and she needed to use it and to keep her military bearing. While the OD had the males involved filling out statements she went to the Operations officer which ordered her to just go to bed. I know that all branches have their own way of working, but even if i walked into work today after drinking with cuts all over me and i told someone anything like this, an investigation would be done, the first thing they told us in basic, is that no one has a right to touch you, no exceptions. That is why our doctors ask permission before touching. This really struck a nerve because she is my sister and because i have female troops below me that i would not ever want to see beaten and battered and i really think that the officer core should have taken better care of their troops in this matter. I didnt mention the IG to her, completely forgot about them. I will have to let her know that they are an option as well.

Offline Carlwalski

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 20672
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007 - 06:36:41 AM »


From that story she should definitely take it up with her commanding officer? and seek support. I read into that they were training and got into a squabble, not being forced around without consent, totally different to what I thought was a training exercise gone a little nasty. Hope she gets everything sorted and those responsible get dealt too accordingly.
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T
White, License Plate, 0A-5599
540ci Aluminium Hemi, F.A.S.T EFI
TF-727 Gear Vendor OD, Dana 60

sleepychallenger

  • Guest
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007 - 08:26:18 AM »
Since she only has till Sunday there they got her to drop it, they told her that if she decided to persue any further action that it would hurt her more than anyone else. I told her that I do not agree with her decision but it is hers to make. Told her to make sure that Security Police is on speed dial on her phone. Did what I could, there are more of them there then there is her so she said that she wasnt raped so she will sweep it under the rug and just walk away. still makes me  :villagers: :drama:

Offline Carlwalski

  • C-C.com Expert
  • ********
  • Posts: 20672
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007 - 08:28:58 AM »


Bugger!! :banghead: If I read it right, aren't they blackmailing her? Good brother though for doing what you did, anyone in your shoes would be very PO as well and that's putting it nicely.  ;)
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T
White, License Plate, 0A-5599
540ci Aluminium Hemi, F.A.S.T EFI
TF-727 Gear Vendor OD, Dana 60

sleepychallenger

  • Guest
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007 - 09:15:35 AM »

Bugger!! :banghead: If I read it right, aren't they blackmailing her? Good brother though for doing what you did, anyone in your shoes would be very PO as well and that's putting it nicely.  ;)

pretty much that is how i understand it, but you know, she always has me on speed dial. told her to make sure to take  :picture: of all the bruises and stuff just in case.

Offline GreenFish

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1281
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007 - 06:35:27 PM »
Sir,

Under article 138 of the UCMJ she has the right to "request mast"

Article 138 is one of the most powerful rights under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), but it is one of the rights least known and least used by military personnel. Under Article 138 of the UCMJ, "any member of the armed forces who believes himself (or herself) wronged by his (or her) commanding officer" may request redress. If such redress is refused, a complaint may be made and a superior officer must "examine into the complaint."

70 cuda, 440, KB pistons, 10.5:1 compression, edlebrock heads,RacerBrown cam, 5-Speed Tremec, Megasquirt EFI

Offline fantum

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 429
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2007 - 07:36:52 PM »
As was said before, I would also be totally p.o.'d if something like that happened to my sister.  Not having served in a mixed unit, I was not faced with this type of situation, but my experience (Army) is that any type of mistreatment such as that suffered by your sister would be investigated immediately, the victim would be removed from the hostile environment, and the offenders would be dealt with harshly.  The OD should have taken the appropriate action right then and notified the SPs immediately.  He has now left himself open to any litigation for not taking the appropriate action in this case when he was FIRST notified of your sister's injuries.

One piece of advice for your sister.  I would suggest she not attend future functions without an escort (male or female) she totally trusts to look after her well being.  These guys got away (at least for the time being) with roughing her up a little, who knows where it will lead from here.......



fantum
Mike

Offline go-fish

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2391
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007 - 08:31:32 PM »
Sorry to fling the mud back. I am in the Navy and prod to be so when I here those endearing terms I tend to go on te offensive, unless I know they were in jest.
For one I have never even been on a pier, when Seabees deploy we go to the flight line. I should be so confident in my sexuality that I shouldn't be offended by such remarks, right? Well if you called me ANYTHING in mallice I would be offended and I find it lessens the compassion I would have for the matter at hand.
My advice would be to seek out the Sexual Assault Victims Advocate, if there are ANY marks still evident take pictures and go to a hospital and have them note it as inflictions caused at the hands of another, get the OOD's name and all others involved, and last but not least let her command know that you have contacted media outlets. Maybe try to find a contact for Navy Times and Stars and Stripes. But only play those cards if things are getting covered up.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007 - 09:50:39 PM by go-fish »

sleepychallenger

  • Guest
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007 - 08:35:28 PM »
Why would you even come on a car related message board and ask for military legal advice. I guess it shows the intelligence of the average AF member. (See, I can play too JA)
Send your sister my regards. I am sure she was of sound mind anyway.

Go-fish, I appoligize for the inappropriate comment and have altered my statement below. I was really pissed if you could not tell, and was just venting. and i posted this here because if you could not tell, members here are more than just car folk to a lot of other members are friends, and some are closer (like family to specify) as we have all seen with Cuda Guy, he is a prime example (sorry to call you out don) of someone that we think of as more than just another car person. he is family here too. That is why i posted this here, to get some thoughts and, maybe some input from more experienced military members than myself, from my CC.com family. Again, this thread was not intended to offend anyone and i would like to publicly appoligize for posting a personal matter on a "car related message board".

« Last Edit: July 17, 2007 - 08:44:07 PM by sleepychallenger »

Offline heminut

  • Resident
  • *****
  • Posts: 2023
  • owner of the poor man's Hemi Cuda
Re: Military Members Question
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2007 - 10:15:07 PM »
Sleepychallenger, there are a lot of things posted on here that don't have anything to do with cars, that's the purpose of an Off Topic section. No apologies are necessary! If Go-fish has a problem with that then he should stay out of the Off Topic section, problem solved! As for your sister, tell her to get pics 48 hours or so after the incident, as the bruising will take that long to come out. We always tried to get domestic violence victims back into the police dept. for pics after about 48 hrs because of that. As far as sweeping it under the rug, only she can determine if that is what's best, but there's a good posibility it could happen again if she does and gets into a situation where it could reoccur.
1970 5.7 Hemi Cuda