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440 Six-Pack question
« on: July 27, 2007 - 08:09:15 AM »
A friend of mine (69Dart on here) is building a 440 6-pack Dart.  I am going to assist this little project somewhat.  I was wondering if any of you fine folks could post a link to a place or two that sells complete 6-pack assemblies from the intake to the air cleaner, including all needed linkage.  Thanks in advance,  Old's Cool     :cooldancing:   
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2007 - 08:14:17 AM »
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2007 - 08:16:14 AM »
Here's another.


  http://sixpackperformance.net/


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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2007 - 01:31:07 PM »
I hope he is after the look , I just swapped a 6pack onto a 440 & removed a 870 Holley & a Perfomer RPM intake & it lost HP big time

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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2007 - 02:33:31 PM »
how much....

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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2007 - 03:05:37 PM »
Wow, when I swapped my Carter Thermoquad for the six pack, I almost put it in a ditch there was so much of a difference.  :clueless:
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2007 - 03:26:28 PM »
we didn`t dyno it but my customer figures 40 HP & a ton of off idle response

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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2007 - 07:13:31 PM »
Chryco,

Your customer has to start tuning it.    I changed the springs in the front and rear pods and there was a night and day difference.  870 cfm, can not compete with 1350 cfm if both are jetted and pump shot are all ajusted right.   

Time for the dyno and adjusting air/fuel mixtures.
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2007 - 01:17:20 PM »
generally I would agreee with you but I did start tuning it & it still feels soft compared to the Performer RPM , at this point the outboard carbs ahve liitle to do with the power drop , the response from the center carb alone is lame even with shooter & jet changes & the power is down at WOT as well & the end carbs are wide open , opening them sooner would help but still will not create the WOT pull if the carbs are wide open 
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007 - 07:57:33 PM »
Those manifolds are based on the late '60s design. Hard to compare to a later model Performer.  Those end carb's plates were also drilled and rejetted by the super stock guys, right out of the box, as seen in the older Mopar Engine books.  Those Carbs are probably set to the "rich&safe" jetting right now. That's why the dyno session with air-fuel mixture and exhaust temp readings would be the next step to help pull more HP to outperform that 870.

My friend with a 440-6, 70 Cuda jumped on it to pass a car on the Power Tour.  He probably thought it was running great, but from behind, I saw a big cloud of black smoke. We all know that almost lean and almost pingiing puts out the most HP.

I also had a 6-pack, but as you saw on my car, I'm back to a 4-bbl air gap type manifold. I'm running a 1000 cfm air valve and yes, it is easier to tune.  If I ever run a 6-pack manifold again, it will have (3) 2bbl throttle bodies on it. those Holley end carbs need those screw in jet plates to make them tunable. The original jet plates with the drilled jet orifices were a pain in the butt.
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007 - 06:54:02 PM »
I don't know what to think about this.  :clueless: My SIX-PACK set-up has far more power than with a performer intake and 750 on it. I tried it. What is your total advance? Is your vaccum advance hooked up? My inital timing is 5 degrees btdc. Total advance is 56 degrees. I assume you have electronic ignition. This will also vary by what cam you have. My car runs ten fold better with the vacuum advance hooked up compared to the lines plugged off and using mechanical advance only. Just my  :2cents:

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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007 - 07:05:37 PM »
How does the "six shooter" setup perform compared to the original Holley carbs? Just curious.
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007 - 09:05:59 PM »
Total advance is 56 degrees.

Dave, I know for a fact that that is too much advance,   

I also use the vacuum pod on my distibutors but they are hooked to MANIFOLD VACUUM.  With todays lower octane gas, Manifold vacuum advances for light throttle and dumps to nothing at WOT.  This is good for a smooth idle and gas mileage.
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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007 - 01:15:30 AM »
I bought my 6 pack parts seperate and saved a good chunk a moula.

3 2 carbs, atlantic speed, ebay

Mancini for some stuff

Manicotti (sp?) for some stuff

Summit for the manifold....

1800$  including shipping.   


promax plates for 100$


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Re: 440 Six-Pack question
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007 - 01:54:11 AM »
Chryco,

Your customer has to start tuning it.    I changed the springs in the front and rear pods and there was a night and day difference.  870 cfm, can not compete with 1350 cfm if both are jetted and pump shot are all ajusted right.   

Time for the dyno and adjusting air/fuel mixtures.

What springs did you change to ?     To the brown ones ?   

I am still running the out of the box springs, and my secondary opening is a bout 1 sec slow.   if it opened just a tad earlier Id be plum pleased.    :swaying:   Ive read about drilling about the bleeds and a set screw, but if I can avoid that, Id like to try.

TIA

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