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sleepychallenger

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GMC problem
« on: August 16, 2007 - 07:42:58 PM »
ok, i am working on this 93 jimmy, 4.3 vortec, and it has a knocking noise twards the front of the motor from 2200 rpm on up. any ideas, i can not pinpoint it but sounds like the top end. have  a stethascope but can not pinpoint it.  :feedback:




Offline 70challengerrt

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007 - 08:32:37 PM »
Just a wild guess but maybe piston slap. Is it a knock or more of a loud tick? How many miles on it?

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007 - 08:57:31 PM »
i think 115K. it could be piston slap. to check i would have to pull the plug wires correct? it is more of a knock, but not from the bottom end. when running i can not hear it (by ear or with the scope) through the oil pan

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007 - 09:31:36 PM »
Basically you pull the spark plugs and rock the motor with the fan to hear the slap noise. Did you change oil recently, the reason I ask is because I heard of poor lubrication causing piston slap and a poor flowing oil filter or plugged filter will cause this (we ran into this several years back).

sleepychallenger

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007 - 09:47:53 PM »
not my car, i think that he did change the oil right before all this happened. i dont think that i can rock the motor like that, just a bit heavy.  :roflsmiley: will it slap if the engine is running but no spark to that hole. doesnt make any noise until it hits about 2700 rpm or somewhere round there. grrr... this is why i do not own a gm product

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007 - 10:57:26 PM »
hmmm... :sly:...you didn't see the sticker under the hood of the Jimmy that says "If noises are coming from engine, please take to your local certified GMC dealer and promptly purchase a new vehicle" :roflsmiley:  But seriously, valve train?  I had a buddy with a 98 Jimmy that had some lifter troubles around those same miles.
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sleepychallenger

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007 - 12:36:33 AM »
that was my initial thoughts, but now i have the valve covers off and can not find anything, even started it and made te mess, nothing!

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:05:08 AM »
GMC - Garage mechanics companion , I have owned 2 .... my first & last
 anyway is the oil pan damaged , I have seen the oil pump pick up tube fall into the oil pan & starve the engine for oil on a few 4.3 engines , they are just press fit , no threads or welds to hold them in

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sleepychallenger

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007 - 04:14:01 AM »
no visible damage

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007 - 01:50:51 PM »
Put the valve covers back on. Take the drive belt(s) off, start the engine and see if the noise is still there. If it is, it's in the engine somewhere.
Stop at this point.
Unless you are in a position to start taking the engine apart, it might be best to send it to a shop. There are not any bulletins for this noise, but some of the earlier 4.3L engines had a balance shaft/drive noise issue.

Again, if you isolate it to the engine, I would take a step back. Once you start messing with this thing, you'll be married to it.

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:04:37 PM »
already married to it. we have decided that if i take the heads off and decide that it is in the cylinder then we are going to get a new engine for it. I took the stethascope and put it to the oil pan and can not hear anything through there. I can only hear it through the scope around the front of the intake. I will have to take the belt off tonight and try that. Maybe i should try pullin one plug wire at a time. It shouldnt be a rod knock right, i have never heard one that only happens at 2700 on up, if its knocking then its all the time, from what i have experianced before.  :feedback:

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:14:49 PM »
This is part of the bulletin for the 92, don't assume this is the cause on your vehicle, but it could be.

It is very important to read the last section marked "Important" especially the last 2 sentences. GM says it isn't a reliability problem. (if this is the cause of the noise on your truck)

FILE IN SECTION: 6 - Engine

BULLETIN NO.: 23-61-11

DATE: June, 1995

SUBJECT:
CPI Engine Noise (Install New Gears/New MEM-CALs)

MODELS:
1992 Chevrolet and GMC Truck S/T, M/L Models
1992 Oldsmobile Bravada
with 4.3L CPI Engine (VIN W - RPO L35)

This bulletin is being revised to update engine scrapping information. Previous divisional publication numbers were:

   Chevrolet        92-244B-6
   GM of Canada     93-6A-121
   GMC Truck        92-6A-153A
   Oldsmobile       92-T-168

CONDITION

Some 1992 model year 4.3L CPI engines may exhibit one or both of the following noises:

I. A tick or rattle noise at idle or low engine speeds up to 1300 RPM. The noise may occur hot or cold in Park/Neutral or in gear.
 
II. A detonation or rattling type noise under acceleration at engine speeds between 2000 - 2500 RPM. It is usually most noticeable at the shift points under moderate acceleration with the transmission torque converter unlocked. Premium grade fuel does not affect the noise.
 
III. If an engine has both noises (conditions "I" and "II"), follow condition "II" for cause and correction instructions and information.
 

CAUSE

I. The most probable cause for the idle tick or rattle (condition I) is due to zero or near zero lash between the balance shaft drive gears. Some gears may feel as if the lash is acceptable but there is most likely an area on one of the teeth which is not meshing properly with the other gear.
 
II. The source of the detonation or rattling type noise under acceleration between 2000 - 2500 RPM (condition II) is the rear balance shaft needle bearing. With some engines, the rear needle bearing is excited by a combination of factors (i.e., engine case, combustion events, balance shaft gear lash, valve train torque reversals, cam chain play, needle bearing clearance, etc.).

Important: If there is any question about the proper diagnosis of the noise, call Technical Assistance. The unnecessary customer inconvenience and/or replacement of parts must be avoided. It is important to note that neither noise is a reliability or dependability concern. The noises are a customer pleasability issue only. The life of the engine will not be shortened due to the above causes.
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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:19:38 PM »
yea but that doesnt give the rpm ranges that i am hearing this in and it is coming from the front half of the engine. anyone know what the difference is between the CPI and Vortec engines?

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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:22:59 PM »
What is the 8th digit of the VIN? W or Z
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Re: GMC problem
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007 - 02:24:24 PM »
will have to check when i get home. this thing has the vortec motor, just dont know what the dif is. i used to work at ford as a tech, never really looked at anything gm.