I'm a new owner and need help.

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Offline old-school

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I'm a new owner and need help.
« on: October 03, 2007 - 05:46:53 PM »
Hello everybody,

First let me say that i am not a mechanic. I just wanted a muscle car and have wanted a Dodge Challenger since i was 15. I posted a thread last week about wanting to trade my vette for a Challenger and was able to do so for a beautiful 73 Challenger. All i have ever wanted was a fast 440 car that was a good looking driver with no rust that I was not necessarily going to have to work on. Well, at least nothing complicated to work on. I mean, i can turn a wrench but i really know nothing about cars to the degree that most men are that want old mopar's. I just drive them and look good! I'll probably have to find me a mechanic who can drop by my house and keep this car running right or at least show me how to after a couple of times.

Anyway, here is my concern. I absolutely love the car i have and it looks incredible and that's why i bought it. Well i traded and also gave cash to boot cause i wanted it! Well it came two days ago and i think i have bought a race car and not a street car or maybe i'm ok but just don't know it yet and that's where i need some help here.

Here are the specs as i was told. This car was on ebay about a week and a half ago, it didn't sell and we made a deal. It was listed like this:
450 HP/ 440 auto with a 727 tranny and 6qt oil pan. Rear is a 4:10 sure grip and it has a B&M pro master ratchet floor shifter. According to the auction the tach was disabled due to a new MSD ignition. Well we made this deal site unseen. He bought it from a classic muscle car dealer site unseen and that was only 2 months ago. He wanted to sell because he is going to iraq for a year so when he didn't get his price, he was open to a trade because i think his wife was interested in my vette.

His discription on ebay said it drove like a new car so i'm thinking this is the one and we talk and make the deal etc., etc., Now for the first time i drive this car yesterday after i figure out this cool shifter. He told me i didn't have to really use the other gears and could just go with drive all of the time. I told him i wanted a fast driver that i could do weekend cruise's and race at a occasional red light, you get my drift. Anyway, after driving it for the first time yesterday it seems to me to be straining in drive when i'm driving around town at say 40 to 50 miles per hour. I haven't taken it on the freeway at all yet. However, from a slow roll in first it will melt the tires and after a few seconds pass and i go to second with the pedal floored and then on to drive it's really kickin butt and i can tell the strain is perfect and this is the way that it is supposed to run and now i'm afraid it's not geared right for local drivng around town at a constant 40 to 50. It's very loud with flowmaster headers etc., so maybe it's just so loud that i think it's straining. I don't know. What do you guys think?

It doesn't have a tach and i don't know how to put one on anyway! Should i get a different rearend? Is that it? The person who built this car did a great job with the restoration. It's not a frame off but i think it was just in pretty good shape to begin with so the restoration process wasn't a lot. I'm thinking he built this to drag race but i'm not sure. I'll leave it to you experts for advice. Should this set up work for me on the street? Also, it smells of gas really bad when it's running but it's not leaking. I think it needs somebody to adjust the carb or something or is owning a muscle car and smelling gas all of the time a norm? Please advise 




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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007 - 06:00:57 PM »
My first concern would be this."He bought it from a classic muscle car dealer site unseen and that was only 2 months ago. He wanted to sell because he is going to iraq for a year so when he didn't get his price, he was open to a trade because i think his wife was interested in my vette." Why do you buy a car whenyou know your going to sell it 2 months down the road unless he just wanted to flip the car in which case he new very little or nothing about it.

What did you pay or the car? Do you have any pictures you can post? How much 'research did you do on these cars before you bought one?  Did anybody chek this car out for you?
 I hope it all works out for you but the old saying applies "let the buyer beware".
« Last Edit: October 03, 2007 - 06:02:57 PM by Tropicalcats »
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007 - 06:07:36 PM »
First thank you for your reply.

In all honesty your observations are not helping me! lol ! What about some input regarding my questions? Mechanical advice please :bigsmile:

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007 - 06:13:30 PM »
Sorry I can't be of more help. I'm sure somebody will be along who can disect it a little it better for you but even that will be hard to do on a forum. My first thought for you would be to find a mehanic that an do some hands on and see what you actuall got for your trade.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007 - 06:18:21 PM »
If its straining in drive around town maybe the tranny has a manual valve body and you are actually starting and driving in Drive, my old car was like that and you have to manually shift up and down every gear.   :dunno:

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007 - 06:36:03 PM »
Doesn't sound like a race car, but it doesn't sound very streetable.  Hope this isn't a daily driver.  BTW, what vette did you trade for it?

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007 - 08:14:35 PM »
Cheapest is to put some 3.23 gears in the back.

Expensive is to put an OD tranny in there.  There are a few choices you can go with here (518 w/adapter plate, Keisler auto, GV, 5-speed manual conversion, etc.)


Running rich sounds like.  I'd connect a vacuum gauge to it.  If you're not pulling much vacuum at idle, I bet you got very unstreetable cam in your engine.

Does it barely idle?  Lot of times, to get it to idle below 1000 RPM, you have to enrich the idle mixture.

I hate those aftermarket shifters; especially since the OEM slapstick was good enough for the street.  Unless this was a column shift?

Ditch those flowmasters.  All noise.  Some dynomax or magnaflows are better.

I wonder if you have a stall converter.  If you have a lot of stall, may make street driving a bit too snappy.
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007 - 08:25:36 PM »
Welcome to C-C.com  :thumbsup:   Need to provide pics.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2007 - 10:24:43 PM »
Here's some pics.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007 - 10:50:54 PM »
If you like the car, anything that is making it unstreetable can be fixed.  The 4.10 gears can be swapped out for 3.23 gears for around 500 bucks and a couple hours of time (assuming it is an 8 3/4).  You might want to try to place an ad here and see if somebody would swap their 3.23 suregrip for your 4.10 suregrip.  Then it would just cost the time (or a mechanics fee).  If your car shifts 2 times when it is in drive, it is not a full manual automatic.  If it does not shift, it is.  Driving it around in D if it is a manual automatic is not good for the transmission.  If it is a full manual valve body, you could buy a new automatic one from someplace like Turbo Action, or have a decent tranny shop install one for you.

If you post your location, one of the helpful folks here might give you a hand and look over the car to help you figure out the best plan of action.

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007 - 11:01:26 PM »
I'm in Indianapolis.

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007 - 11:13:52 PM »
For your tach to work with the multi spark MSD igniton module they make an adapater....here is Summitt Racings offering I think you need item MSD-8910
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+400122+4294925143+4294839065+115+4294849427



As for cruising the 4:10s are a bit much..3:23 or 3:55 ratios would be more streetable.


Man I'd LOVE to have your problem.. :roflsmiley:
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007 - 11:28:14 PM »
This adapter will make the original tach in the dash work? Or do i have to get a mountable tach for the dash and if so, which mountable tach do you suggest?

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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007 - 11:36:43 PM »
This adapter will make the original tach in the dash work? Or do i have to get a mountable tach for the dash and if so, which mountable tach do you suggest?

I think it would work with the OE tach...you might want to contact MSD 1st to make sure
http://www.msdignition.com/
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007 - 11:39:34 PM »
WOW! that is a beautiful car. I can see why you wanted it bad. I hope my 73 turns out as nice as that, some day. Good luck with the tuning and all. I wish i could help, but i think you already have the experts in your corner. :2thumbs: