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Offline old-school

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2007 - 08:02:51 AM »
Can anybody show me where to place my floor jack so i can get underneath and look around. I noticed a couple of drops of oil on my garage floor after i drove it yesterday for the first time. I have some jack stands as well so i wouild like to get the front end up on stands. I can't see under there well enough to tell where to put the floor jack. If someone could post a picture with a arrow pointing to the jack point that would be awesome!




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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2007 - 08:13:59 AM »
I've been using the center of the K-frame to raise, then jack stands on the frame forward of the sway bar. 
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2007 - 08:28:00 AM »
That's great if you know where the center of the k-frame is! lol

I'm not a very thin person who can slide far enough under there to identify where the center of the k-frame is. Picture would be great

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007 - 08:45:01 AM »
found a pic.
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007 - 08:52:43 AM »
Thanks a million!

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2007 - 10:29:29 AM »
Were you provided with any documentation, receipts, or references for any of the work previous done to it? Sometimes sifting through reciepts of parts, if provided, can give us the info to provide suggestions for changes. If you can provide any links to either the Ebay auction or the dealer site where he bought it from, we may be able to decifer some information that was meaningless to you, but speaks volumes to a more knowledgable enthusiast. We can all guess at what may or may not improve the driveability, but without knowing what you are starting with, all we are doing is guessing, which could cost you lots of money if you just start taking advice and making changes without knowing the baseline. Looking at your pictures I can see what looks like a single plane intake, the aftermarket ratchet shifter, slapper bars, and an open element valve cover breather. Any could be part of a compromised street friendly personality. Other items that could be contributing to your perception are typically hidden and not easily seen. Things like gears, valve bodies, converters, and cams, could all be part of the issue, but cannnot be seen without tearing things apart. This is why any additional info you have can become hugely important.

I'd highly recommend finding a copy of, reproduction version, or CD version of a Factory Service manual. They are out there for fairly reasonable prices too. You are really going to need to know terminology if you want to get good advice, buy parts, and perform maintanence to your new prize. It makes life EXTREMELY more livable if you know what we are talking about when we tell you to "lift it by the K, and crank the bars up" or "raise the rear and swap the pig."

BTW, welcome to the Mopar family!  :thumbsup:
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007 - 11:43:23 AM »
Great looking Chally  :drool: :drool:
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Man I'd LOVE to have your problem.. :roflsmiley:

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2007 - 11:57:00 AM »
I'd highly recommend finding a copy of, reproduction version, or CD version of a Factory Service manual. They are out there for fairly reasonable prices too. You are really going to need to know terminology if you want to get good advice, buy parts, and perform maintanence to your new prize. It makes life EXTREMELY more livable if you know what we are talking about when we tell you to "lift it by the K, and crank the bars up" or "raise the rear and swap the pig."

BTW, welcome to the Mopar family!  :thumbsup:
HP2..Great advise :2thumbs:, very well put, that will apply to any newcomer to the automobile hobby regardless the make.


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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2007 - 01:44:44 PM »
Hi & Welcome
 You may have a stall converter in the car & it is loose at the rpm you are doing at 40-50 MPH , if you hold it in 2nd gear does it feel better ?
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2007 - 03:05:12 PM »
I can no longer get a hold of the man i bought this car from but i do remember him saying something about a 3500 stall in this car but it was russian to me at the time. I was a little overwhelmed to say the least. Where is this and how can i check this? I also know this car has a really big oil pan that is almst touching the ground and this worries me. It has writing on it that says milodon.

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2007 - 03:26:25 PM »
First off, welcome to the site, Old-school. :wave:  Secondly, beautiful '73 Chally, but it sounds like the engine is very stout for a street car.  As for getting it more street-able, those 4.10's are too low to get a comfortable drive on the streets.  As mentioned, a set of 3.23's or 3.55's would be better suited to street driving and your stall speed is rather high for a street car as well.  The torque converter is what bolts up to the flexplate on the crankshaft and is covered by the bellhousing portion of your transmission.  I'd say with a built 440 that is planned to be driven on the street should have a stall speed more around 2,500-2,800 RPM's tops.  Hopefully you don't have a manual valvebody otherwise as mentioned, it will be boggy if you're not running the proper RPM's in each specific gear (pretty much like driving a manual transmission car).  If you have a manual valvebody, it's essentially like cruising around in a clutch-less manual as you need to shift through each gear at the proper RPM's.
If you need anymore help with the issue, Chryco Psycho is very knowledgeable when it comes to pretty much anything about these cars, so feel free to post away in the appropriate sections of the site. :thumbsup:  If you make it to Carlisle, Pennsylvania for the Chryslers at Carlisle event in early July, I'm sure he could help you with tuning the engine to optimal performance so you don't get an excess gas smell in the interior (Unless you're running 93-octane then there's almost always a hint of it inside the car).
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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2007 - 03:45:13 PM »
The guy i bought this from told me i had to run 93 octane so i filled it up today with 92 which is premium at the station i always use close by.

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2007 - 03:57:25 PM »
i do remember him saying something about a 3500 stall in this car but it was russian to me at the time. I was a little overwhelmed to say the least. Where is this and how can i check this?

Aha! Your loosing about 15-20% of your power right their, which is why you say it feels like it is straining. Odds are, your 40 mph cruising rpm is right around the stall point of your convertor. That is way too much convertor for a CASUAL street driver, IMO. However, combined with the large sump oil pan, single plane intake, and traction bars, I'd bet you may have a fairly radical cam shaft profile, which also is counter to casual street cruising, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

The only way to physically verify the convertor is to remove the transmission, then the convertor, and look for the manufacturer's part number. The torque convertor is a large, enclosed, donut looking thing between the engine and transmission, inside the transmission case. In the car you can make an educated guess at it, but without a functional tach, all you can do is kinda guess. With the car in idle and low gear, stomp on the gas and watch (or in your case listen) to the rpm and relate that to when the car starts to physically move. If it moves right away at a fairly low rpm, then you have a low stall. If it hesitates a fraction of a second while the rpm climbs and then takes off like a shot, you have a higher stall convertor. If you have a dwell tach, you might be able to substitue that, but I'd call MSD and ask for the shunt that will allow you to hook up your in dash tach.

Getting back to the first paragraph, I hate to tell you, but it is starting to sound like you bought yourself a psuedo-race car wanna be. It is more radical than a restored street cruiser, but isn't an all out racing machine. I'm sure it is pretty darn fast, but as you've noticed, it isn't the most street friendly cruiser either. With 4:10 rear gears, as you noticed, it will tach up fairly high just cruising around town. The only way to correct these items is to replace the convertor and replace the gears. However, because of how the engine may be built, it may not be just that simple, as changing to more street friendly gears may also mean you need to change the camshaft and intake to better match the new gears. It is also possible, as others have mentioned, that it has a manual valve body in the transmission. When you put it in drive, can you hear it shift through the gears?

The gas smell could be a few things from mis-adjusted float levels in the carb, to being over-carbed and not burning off the fuel at idle, to a physical leak in the carb that drips onto a surface which then evaporates, which is why you can smell it but not see it.

Another recommendation, find a local mopar club, join it, and make some new friends. You are going to need some their assistance on small things like tuning advice as well as some recommendations on big things, like if you want to change your car to a more street friendly cruiser or leave it as race beast. These club members are going to know what shops are best to do business with and which ones to stay away from. As a former Vette owner, I'm sure you can appreciate that you don't want to pay money to just any schmuck working on your car who doesn't know the difference between a torsion bar and a torsion spring. Plus just hanging out with other cars people is a pretty good time over all.

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2007 - 04:10:02 PM »
Thanks to everybody for all of the info. When i put this in drive i DO NOT hear it change any gears at all. Thats what i meant when i said it sounds like it needs another gear to go to! you know, straining rpm's probably too high but i don't have a tach so i can't confirm. But yes, when i have it in 1st gear and stomp it, it does have a slight hesitation and then melts the tires and blasts off like a rocket! Right now, i don't have any money to change anything so opening up the transmission like you suggested is out of the question but i was considering changing to the 3.55 rear end after asking a friend of mine who suggested that. Thats all i can afford to do right now but now you have me thinking with this stall converter it would not help the current situation?

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Re: I'm a new owner and need help.
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2007 - 05:00:34 PM »
do you have the ebay auction number or a link to the ebay ad that you found the car?  The previous owner most likely had the specifications of the engine and transmission there.

if you provide that, it will help all those involved by understanding your setup and then providing a more accurate and realistic solution to your issues.

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