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    Offline IMNCARN82

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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #255 on: February 24, 2009 - 12:58:44 PM »
    o.k.   This is with the axel level with the frames. 22" Lower link measurement.13" shock mount to shock mount.(as per directions)Top links are 24" C/C on the axel,Not the 27" in the directions.  Does this look better?   Now I weld on the upper link tabs.(check pinion first), Lower it down to the 17" shock length.And install the shocks?



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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #256 on: February 24, 2009 - 08:33:35 PM »
    man your car is looking good. I am a big fan of chassis saver. I am hopefully going to install the air bar rear suspension this summer( i bought it before bill came out with his)
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #257 on: February 25, 2009 - 11:11:39 PM »
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    Top links are 24" C/C on the axle,Not the 27"
    your talking width right? As I see it you don't have any options to change that dimension if you wanted to and its not critical. ( as long as you have room for exhaust and stuff. The things I know of interest, ( I'm not by any means an expert  :clueless:) are at desired ride hight, you want the links to be Leval and parallel ( upper to lower ) and that is where you want to set your pinion angle. I would tack the uppers in place the install your shocks with out the spring and articulate the axle. up and down and one side high with the other low to make sure theres no binding. If all is good then weld it up.  :cheers:
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #258 on: February 26, 2009 - 06:25:52 PM »
    I called Bill 2 days ago,Left a message.He emailed me before,Answering one small question three times over.Here's a pic of his axel... Looks like I'm on my own here. For almost $2,000.00 I'd have thought he could have atleast made up better directions.   So... I've measured everything 10 times,This is where it sits. Ready to weld.  I extended the lower links 1/4". Left the uppers. I did fit them better(partially tightening) And "gun-sighted" the tabs. They fit good on the axel. And are level with the ground.    yeah,the C/C of the upper links is set by the upper bar tabs.  Good idea tacking them on and putting the shocks on with no springs and checking for binding.   Do the shocks compress that much?     So....    I think I'm ready...    :1zhelp: :1zhelp: :1zhelp:   Do my upper tabs look to be close to Bills pic? Notice they actually land behind the center of the axel.(?)    Tuff call...  I am VERY close!
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #259 on: February 26, 2009 - 08:21:19 PM »
    I'm frustrated.   Just don't understand...     tightened the bolts up. They tighten everything up! Why? Isn't this supposed to move? If I weld those tabs on and tighten the bolts up. It's not going to move. :dunno:     :faint:

    Knew I should have gotten the rod end links. Not the bushing type.

    Anyone...?   :-\
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #260 on: February 26, 2009 - 08:35:38 PM »
    The ends on those are clamped down and shouldn't move. Those are luke the upper mount in the shocks.  If you wanted end that rotate, you need a different style. 

    Those are designed for limited movement. For those, you tighten everything up once all of the weight is on the suspension.

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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #261 on: February 26, 2009 - 08:45:08 PM »
    Quote from: IMNCARN82 on February 26, 2009 - 08:21:19 PM
    I'm frustrated.   Just don't understand...     tightened the bolts up. They tighten everything up! Why? Isn't this supposed to move? If I weld those tabs on and tighten the bolts up. It's not going to move. :dunno:     :faint:

    Knew I should have gotten the rod end links. Not the bushing type.

    Anyone...?   :-\
    The type of bushing in that photo is designed to be a press fit into the link, and the serrations on the inner sleeve are there to hold the center of the bushing tight to the mounting tabs.  The only movement that bushing is designed to allow is the torsional deflection between the outer and inner sleeves.  They are very similar to, and could actually be the same as the links in the rear strut rods of a 68-78 Corvette.  That suspension should be tightened when the car is fully weighted and at its normal ride height.  If it is tightened while raised or lowered, the torsional deflection is preloaded and will result in a harsher ride and a significantly shortened bushing life.  I am no expert, and did not design the rear suspension, but I would tighten those last while the car is on all four wheels on the ground. :2cents:
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #262 on: February 26, 2009 - 08:51:30 PM »
    Tightening them up when it's down on the ground makes sense.    Thanks for the help. I just don't know what to do.  Guess I'll call Bill again.    Wouldn't the rod end links be better?
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #263 on: February 26, 2009 - 09:57:44 PM »
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    Wouldn't the rod end links be better?
    yes and no for street use you really want rubber isolation. rod ends are harsh. Worse if you get any wear it will rattle and sound terrible like its falling apart. but they have no deflection so very accurate. ( with no binding  ;D ) As long as your pinion angel looks good I would say your good. I would spin out the rod ends a third of the way to start, that makes it so you have the most adjustment if needed later. ( From all in to 2/3 out.) The reason I take the spring off is so you can put the axle at your desired ride hight with it in the air. That way you can tighten every thing down to set the rod bushing in the neutral position. As far as to check for binding just don't tighten them up all the way it will be much easier to articulate that way.
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #264 on: February 26, 2009 - 10:07:28 PM »
    Quote from: conv340 on February 26, 2009 - 09:57:44 PM
    yes and no for street use you really want rubber isolation. rod ends are harsh. Worse if you get any wear it will rattle and sound terrible like its falling apart. but they have no deflection so very accurate. ( with no binding  ;D ) As long as your pinion angel looks good I would say your good. I would spin out the rod ends a third of the way to start, that makes it so you have the most adjustment if needed later. ( From all in to 2/3 out.) The reason I take the spring off is so you can put the axle at your desired ride hight with it in the air. That way you can tighten every thing down to set the rod bushing in the neutral position. As far as to check for binding just don't tighten them up all the way it will be much easier to articulate that way.

    agreed...  Looks good Robert - 

    We have a barrucuda in the shop with air ride's version.  Give me a call if you have any questions...

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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #265 on: February 27, 2009 - 02:07:18 AM »
    Quote from: Bruning Auto Design on February 26, 2009 - 10:07:28 PM
    agreed...  Looks good Robert - 

    We have a barrucuda in the shop with air ride's version.  Give me a call if you have any questions...

     :working:

    I am planning in stalling the Air ride version this spring, do you have any suggestions and or tips that would be useful? thanks.
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #266 on: March 01, 2009 - 02:26:42 PM »
    Had to pull everything,pull the diff. to get the spacers out to run these new 1 piece axel bearings. Then get it all back together and installed again. Line everything up,measure,then measure again. Adjust,measure,ect...    after it was all set I tacked it in.Moved it up and down,Checked it all again. Decided to weld it up.   Adjusted the pinion again afterwards.Not much.   Put the shocks on,Jacked it up.Measured,Adjusted the shocks,measured...    :blah:   This is how it sits on it's own weight. Everything looks aligned to me.    Just wish I had those rear discs.Don't have the cash yet.  Going to take the line tabs off the axel.Thinking of custom bending some for each side along the frame. Cleaning up the look.   

    This is my DH race bike. Custom suspension,And linkage. Custom shocks,tuning are nothing new to me. 
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #267 on: March 01, 2009 - 08:30:21 PM »
    looks sweet Robert!  :2thumbs: X  :2thumbs:

    I cant wait to hear how it rides!

    What are you doing for rear discs?
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #268 on: March 02, 2009 - 09:11:21 AM »
    Baer track brakes to match the front. 1500.00 bucks!! :money:  Should have gone cheaper. Oh well. It will happen. Still figuring out those brake lines.  Prepped the gas tank and driveshaft last nite. What to use on the gas tank? I saw some paint at Eastwood. Not sure though.  Getting the exhaust ready.Painting it.  Worried about that too... Not a whole lot of room back there. I'd love to have side exit exhaust,But the frame connectors hurt.  I'd like to run it down inside the rockers and french them in.  Now I'm prepping all the parts.... Nothing could be as bad as that underbody!
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    13' Challenger R/T BlacktoP  6spd. (OO________OO)
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    Re: Dream'Cuda
    « Reply #269 on: March 08, 2009 - 11:48:56 AM »
    Still lookin' good man!  Congrats on car of the month!  WooHooo, two AAR Tributes in a row!!!
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