the exact date when there were just carbon and hydrogen atoms floating around that made the hydrocarbons that miraculously mixed with air at 14.1 to 1 ratio and resulted in a combustion that gave birth to cuda-challenger.com is a date only 69ChargerRT could say for sure... but certainly Chryco was there to witness it... and you'd have to take into consideration the influence of time-space continuum of the Charger message board... but clearly the November 28th 2001 has to be fairly close.