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Offline Moparal

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Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« on: February 25, 2008 - 09:02:05 PM »
I cant see it. If it's fake, it's fake. If you don't go oem correct, then why worry about brand new date coded glass, mirrors, radiators and other things. It is fake. And if you sell the car, do you tell them it's fake?

Then I see an add in MCG from mopar performance selling date coded new radiators. Hemi repro's and they want 1200 bucks for a fake radiator. Is everyone trying to blind new buyers? Is there a way to actually tell them apart? To me, it's a cover up.

Numbers and dates that are forged really is fake.

What's your thoughts about this?




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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2008 - 09:36:45 PM »
Fake date numbers on a real OEM part is a fake NOS part.
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008 - 09:47:34 PM »
A little different, but RT badges on a nonRT?
"cuda" emblems on a barracuda.
I don't have a problem reproducing plug wires, alternators, etc with date codes. You are trying to recreate something exactly like it was from the factory.
Kind of like recreating paint runs or the perfect amount of overspray. all things I would not waste the time to do, but I understand why they do it and don't hold it against them. Now intent is the biggest loophole there is. When does something go from being a reproduction or recreation and become a fake, whether it is a whole car or just a piece of date coded glass?
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008 - 09:11:10 AM »
On a clone-total waste IMO but on a real numbers matching resto if your original parts are beyond repair and you can`t find a factory replacement than a date coded repro is fine to restore the car back to as close to original as possible.
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008 - 09:49:50 AM »
Yeah, with all of the parts in "Mopar" bags these days, i dont beleive the NOS claim. Especially outer door handles, the repros are junk and id hate to think they were that way when new in the 70's, in fact i know they werent. I can sort of understand wanting to LOOK factory, but not if it means getting one over on someone. I wanted coded glass just so it would match the rest of the car, and i plan on NEVER selling so its all for me!!  :cooldancing:
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008 - 10:00:32 AM »
... on a real numbers matching resto if your original parts are beyond repair and you can`t find a factory replacement than a date coded repro is fine to restore the car back to as close to original as possible.

 :iagree: For those who really want it like it "looked" like from the factory, the fake date coded stuff is fine by me.  If they sell the car, it would be honest to disclose what stuff is fake vs real date coded stuff, but you know how that's going to go.... 


If they want to spend that much extra on those parts to make it "correct", that's their perogative, but I sure wouldn't.  :grinno:
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008 - 11:39:55 AM »
:iagree: For those who really want it like it "looked" like from the factory, the fake date coded stuff is fine by me.  If they sell the car, it would be honest to disclose what stuff is fake vs real date coded stuff, but you know how that's going to go.... 


If they want to spend that much extra on those parts to make it "correct", that's their perogative, but I sure wouldn't.  :grinno:

I think if it's made in 2007, then it shouldn't show a 1969 date code, because it is not. I can see restoreing a bad alternator that was original and putting the correct markings and such on it since it was original, or even a correct year dana 60 , rebuilding it back to as new condition and putting on the stripes where it was and stuff, but if they made a dana today, exactly like it was made in 1970, then it should not be date coded for 1970 since it is not a true 70. Making glass in 2008 is not a 1969 date code. It's 2008 and either needs no date or the original date.Way to much stuff is being mislead today. If you have to have a date code, then search untill you find it, dont fake it.

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008 - 11:48:27 AM »
After forty years, a buyer should expect that some of the orginality is gone.  I don't really get that worked up about nos parts myself, and definately wouldn't on anything but a pristine collectable. 

I don't have a problem with rt emblems on non rt cars. 

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008 - 12:08:40 PM »
Repro stuff should always have markings that make it easy to tell it isn't an original.  As for selling a car with repro parts, as long as you don't represent the car as being original, a survivor etc. I see no problem.  If you do try and pass off repro parts as original, thet is at least dishonest, maybe even criminal.  Not to mention, you'll be in line for a good clean beating.

As for RT badges on a non-RT, no problem there, it's all about what the owner likes. 

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2008 - 02:24:44 PM »
  (As for RT badges on a non-RT, no problem there, it's all about what the owner likes. 

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P.G.   I dont have any issues with emblems or anything like that.  As far as how your wording it. That's not hiding anything at all.

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008 - 04:09:25 PM »
 I'm for glad stuff like new glass is avail with mothers logo and stuuf but ya I here you. If they want codes for restos fine but a there should also be something to let the trained eye know it repo and not NOS. ???
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2008 - 08:44:34 PM »
I can tell you that very little of the repo date coded stuff is truely "nuts on" to the original parts. If you compare a true survivor car with original parts to one with the repo stuff, you'll see the differences. And remember what we call NOS is really NOS replacement parts. What came on the car originally from the factory is assembly line NOS. Often times a different part.

I dont have a problem with this date coded stuff on the cars, and my T/A wanna be has it's share of it. I like the detail it brings out in the cars.

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008 - 11:15:24 PM »
NOS is getting harder to find. Some people are into appearances and will pay big $$ for date coded stuff-original or not. Not me

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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008 - 10:37:27 AM »
I think if it's made in 2007, then it shouldn't show a 1969 date code, because it is not. I can see restoreing a bad alternator that was original and putting the correct markings and such on it since it was original, or even a correct year dana 60 , rebuilding it back to as new condition and putting on the stripes where it was and stuff, but if they made a dana today, exactly like it was made in 1970, then it should not be date coded for 1970 since it is not a true 70. Making glass in 2008 is not a 1969 date code. It's 2008 and either needs no date or the original date.Way to much stuff is being mislead today. If you have to have a date code, then search untill you find it, dont fake it.

 :iagree:  Yeah, I get what your saying.  It'll be too easy to pass off a 2008 part with an early date code as authentic.
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Re: Date coded repro stuff...I dont get it
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008 - 11:28:00 AM »
I believe that date-coding reproduction parts is misleading and dishonest. It's too easy to make artificially inflate the value of a car doing this type of thing. What about the survivor class vehicles that are at every major car show? It totally defeats the purpose of this class. And although a trained eye can tell the difference if compared to an original, not many people have that trained eye, or the occasion to compare to original. Too easy to mislead a buyer.

On the other side, I can see where someone wanting to accurately restore a vehicle would feel justified in using such items when NOS is non-existant or too expensive.

There's also a real gray area here. What about people like Jay Leno, who pay to have rare, one-of-a-kind vehicles restored? Many times parts are made by hand, to factory specs, or from photographs. They claim that these cars are restored authentic vehicles, yet the parts should be considered reproduction since they are not the original parts from the original maker.

I just think that if reproduction parts are going to be date-coded, then they should also carry another stamping, on some hidden area, that denotes it is a reproduction.