explanation of previous post (possible 440 6 pack found)

[chall7074]

here's the problem. in a previous post i asked a question about 440 6 pac production i have a stripped 1970 challenger body it was stripped to restore 20+ years ago, to make long story short, everything with vin or anything other than the last eight on body was destroyed in a fire the car was perchased used in mid 70's by previus owner he has the matching numbers 440 block (verified by block casting numbers (in process of negotiating purchase) he claims it had a six pack setup on the car when he bought it.(he still has setup) he replaced it with 4barrel intake (it was under all the trash in the bottom of car casting number is 68 vintage) he dragged raced with local dodge sponsership possible vins such as js23u0b and js23vob have been run with local law enforcement help but no hits last titled 78 79 could there possibly be a jh23 440 6 car there is no sign of se package js29. sorry to be so long but the number hunt is driving me crazy.

[Moparal]

The last 8 digits will be on the side of the block /oil pan rail on that 440. See if it matches the 8 on your body.

[chall7074]

yes it does i failed to mention it trying not to go on and on he has the matching numbers block no internal parts to verify 6 pack

[Super Blue 72]

could there possibly be a jh23 440 6 car there is no sign of se package js29. sorry to be so long but the number hunt is driving me crazy.

According to '70 Challenger brochure from stockmopar.com, the 440+6 engine was not offered on JH cars, only JS cars.  If it was a dealer raced car the dealer could have put it in, who knows?  A lot of weird stuff happened back then, like nose cones taken off of Superbirds to make them into Road Runners.... 

http://www.stockmopar.com/_images/brochures/1970-dodge-challenger-dealer-brochure/original/1970-dodge-challenger-dealer-brochure-6.jpg

I wonder, I know the internals are gone and that may be one way to help potentially ID the engine (Although the internals could have been placed in a a regular old 440 block I guess), I wonder if the blocks were different, like used a specific casting #, like the T/A and AAR cars did? 

Hope you find more info!

[chall7074]

i have checked that the block casting number was the same for both set ups block has a cast number of 2536430-10 cast on 8-6-69 by night shift

[Alaskan_TA]

What are the 8 digits on the body?

What are the 8 digits on the engine?

Photos of both would help.

[chall7074]

both are the same bo 178003 sorry no pics

[Alaskan_TA]

both are the same bo 178003 sorry no pics

If both of them start B0, then the engine has likely been re-stamped. 

[chall7074]

went back to notes and body starts bo block starts ob

[Alaskan_TA]

To go any further, I will need to see photos of the engine VIN & the body numbers.

It sounds like the seller may be trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

Dash VIN tags were made of high quality stainless steel. If the VIN tag was in fact "destroyed in a fire" the body, since it is made of regular steel, would have collapsed in on itself before the dash VIN melted.

Buying a car with a missing VIN tag is something I would avoid personally. If it came with a clean title and a state issued replacement VIN, that would be better than nothing though.

In this case, if the seller had a title, the VIN would be known. If it were me, I would turn away from this deal and fast.

[chall7074]

i found the car in a junk pile that was being hauled off for scrap i was talking to a local man about a late 50's model 1 ton truck on a trailer he was pulling the talk turned to the 74 challenger i am restoring when he told me about the 70 model under a tree in the town we were in, he was friends with the guy with the car.he said i might salvage some body parts i was needing. he said they were going to repaint the car and fix it up. the car was stripped and everything was put in the loft of the shop the body was outside the building burnt and at the time of fire early to mid 80's the values were not todays i bought the shell for 100 dollars after a close look at the shell it was very solid so i desided not to cut the car up. i went back to the man i bought the car from to see if there was any chance to numbers on car to get title and so here i am  today

[Challenger6pak]

Post some pics.  That will give us the info we need to be able to help you.

[hemiken]

Pictures will help  with the guys.

[Super Blue 72]

   This sounds like at the time it was a sweet oppurtunity, can't go wrong for $100.    It is fun to "investigate" the car that you have and find out little tidbits....

On my car since it was schedualed to be built on 8/17/71, I was hoping that I had a higher compression '71 340 and not the low compression 340 from the factory since it was an early '72 and I have a '71 style Rallye gauge package from the factory, but unfortunately I got the smogger engine.   

Oh well, still runs well and pretty peppy for an engine that hasn't been rebuilt. 

[Katfish]

Check the VIN stamped on the cowl