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Offline KNOT0623

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VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« on: April 09, 2008 - 09:12:47 AM »
As some of you may know, we are restoring a 70 340 A66 car currently.  Upon instalation of the driver side mid floor (floor behind the front seats or the rear seat footwell) from Goodmark (which the CEO is a friend of mine) we noticed a problem.  The seat belt holes are located incorrectly.  Our belief is that the manufacturer in taiwan used a cuda mid floor (which is about 2 inches shorter than the challenger floor) and just added 2 inches of metal to the front.  The floor fits fine, but the seat belt holder holes are 2 inches to far back.

This is what i sent to goodmark....

Reminder..this is for a 1970 Challenger
 
 
Pic 1565 is of the new Mid Floor installed (this is the piece from Goodmark.) As you can see from the pic the seat belt holder hole is 9 inches from the back and the U shaped cut out above, the center is about 6 inches from the back.  This piece is on the Drivers side of the car
 
Pic 1569 is of the old Mid Floor from Factory.  The seat Belt Holder hole is 11 inches from the back and the U shaped cutout above, the center is about 8 inches from the back.  This piece is on the Passenger side of the car.
 
Pic 1568 is of the new Mid Floor installed view of the center hump (this is the piece from Goodmark.) As you can see from the pic the seat belt holder hole is 9 1/2 inches from the back.
 
Pic 1567 is of the old Mid Floor view of the center hump From the Factory.  As you can see from the pic the seat belt holder hole is 11 inches from the back.
 
We compared the Goodmark piece to Tom's Cuda and these floors are exactly the same dimensions as the cuda floor except they are about 2 inches longer.  I believe to save on tooling they are just using the cuda floor (extended 2 inches) for the Challenger which is incorrect as you can see in the pics.  What we have to do to correct the problem is...
1. Drill out the holes of the plate that holds the flanged nut. 
2. Remove the plate and relocate it to the correct spot. 
3. Weld the plate to the floor and drill the hole where it should be in the floor. 
4. Patch the floor where the original hole was.
 
This has to occur on both sides of the the floor piece, as there are two seat belt holder holes on each floor piece.  If we were to leave the seatbelt holes where they are from the Goodmark piece, then the seatbelt would be right in the middle of the opening where a person would step into the back seat area of the car.  It has to be relocated forward or it would be a hazard for the person stepping into the rear seat area of the car.

i hope this helps anyone in the middle of a floor restoration.  I hope you can fix it before your floors are installed, unlike our situation as our floors are in.   Any thoughts from anyone??

Thanks
Russ
« Last Edit: April 09, 2008 - 09:41:32 AM by KNOT0623 »
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008 - 09:13:18 AM »
Last pic
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008 - 09:32:01 AM »
 :wow: :worshippy Good catch......... Let us know what they respond with KNOT
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008 - 03:10:42 PM »
:wow: :worshippy Good catch......... Let us know what they respond with KNOT
:iagree:  good catch  :2thumbs:
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008 - 06:58:38 PM »
I'm sure glad Russ told me before I welded them in this weekend! :woo: Thanks again Russ! :2thumbs:
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008 - 01:29:03 PM »
 :swear: Thats not the only difference look at the drain hole too!It always makes you feel warm and cozy knowing you have to fix your high priced replacement parts! :banghead:
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008 - 03:09:45 PM »
that is not good at all. I wonder what year did goodmark use to copy off of? All most looks like a 74 floor piece with the hole being that far back to except the front shoulder belt
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2008 - 03:22:12 PM »
Looks like a Cuda floor to me!  :eek4:
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008 - 03:36:29 PM »
This is what I did to get it right!  :pullinghair:
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008 - 08:12:29 PM »
Great info thanks  :2thumbs:

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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008 - 08:12:07 AM »
what was the part number of the floor pan you got, did it start with 2120 or 2422
all of the E-body standard parts and challenger specific start with 2120, all CUDA specific start with 2422
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008 - 08:43:57 AM »
From the pictures above it looks like 2120.
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008 - 09:25:21 AM »
I should have scrolled all the way down.
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008 - 03:29:09 PM »
that is not good at all. I wonder what year did goodmark use to copy off of? All most looks like a 74 floor piece with the hole being that far back to except the front shoulder belt
It is definately a cuda floor.  Its exteneded to fit the challenger...part #2120-...
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Re: VERY IMPORTANT... Mid Floor on Challenger
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2008 - 12:01:29 AM »
Looked at my new ones tonight and they are exactly like yours. what is the purpose of the "u" shape cutout on the sides? Can a person just move the seatbelt lugs and not worry about the rest of it? Seems easier than the resectioning for a custom car not going for restoration show points. I don't really care that the drain plug holes are 2 inches off. Also both my drain holes are concave looking from inside the car. the goodmark panels have one concave and one convex.
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