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Re: Anyone other than XV?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2008 - 07:40:56 AM »
If your autocrossing then there are going to be specific rules you have to follow to keep your car in a competitive class. Stepping up to an XV level2 or Alterkation set up will put you in a modified class that is pretty exclusive territory of dedicated race cars with 600 horsepower mills, custom brakes, and slicks.

In a more stock form for all out autocross you need to lighten the car up as much as possible. A high torque small block is almost mandatory. Chassis wise the rules are not very friendly for stiffening, but you can run torque boxes and/or subframe connectors. You also want to gusset the steering box mount and go with a firmer response steering box. Addition of quick ratio pitman/idler arms or a steering quickener box is also highly beneficial. Suspension wise it is 1.22 torsion bars and 1.125 front sway bar. Out back you would want fiberglass leaf springs with around 200# spring rate. Shocks would need to be Koni, Spax, Afco, Pro, or a high end adjustable unit like QA1. Add some lightweight 15x6 wheels and some  Hoosier d.o.t. A6 or R6 tires to glue it all down and your ready to roll. Sway bars are around $150, torsion bars are around $200, springs around $300, shocks start around $400 and go up from there.

Now if your going to be a street car that also does some occasional autocross, then you may want to back off the spring rates some and use different wheel/tire combinations. Then adjustable shocks would really be beneficial so you can change the valving for the applications at hand.




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Re: Anyone other than XV?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2008 - 09:09:40 AM »
I was originally thinking about the XV stage II but I really don't wanna hack it up just to put coil-overs in the back. my car's hacked up enough as it is.


Actually the rear has way less "hacking" than the front on the XV stuff. You remove your factory shock mount cross member and weld in a heavier one to mount the coilovers to. You also add the mount for the third link on the rear and the sway bar design is through the frame. All easily reversible. You may also want to look at the Air ride stuff with coilovers instead of their airbags for the rear.
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Re: Anyone other than XV?
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2008 - 12:42:28 AM »

Actually the rear has way less "hacking" than the front on the XV stuff. You remove your factory shock mount cross member and weld in a heavier one

Ya, I don't know a whole lot about the XV er any of em for that matter, but the times I've looked at it on their website and saw that new cross member the coils were attached I freaked. guess its not as bad as it looks... I'll go take a look at it here again....

HP, bout the upper class autocrossers.... friend of a friend of mine has a turboed R32 Golf with about 430 h.p. at the wheels [500 at the crank supposedly]. It basically isn't an R32 anymore because they changed every dad gum part under the thing, but oh my. rode in it once.... can you say SSSCCCAAAARRRRYYYY???? That is way too much power for a Volkswagen Golf. does 0-60 in like... 4 secs er so..... basically its a ticket waiting to happen. I know exactly what yer talking about! I wasn't really thinking of competing with those crazy nuts, that would kinda be a shame to bang my car up like that [moreso the potential of], so I would probably be running in the lower classes.

upgrade the brakes with Wilwood/Baer/other, and put in a Firmfeel Stage III box.

ya, while I'm here and not doing my homework....been thinkin about doing a wilwood conversion up front at least. modern brakes are a plus! I know a few people make conversion kits but the wilwoods seem pretty common. any gripes/complaints about these and other good ones? or is there already 5 1/2 threads on this?

...I'm sure there are a few hundred treads on the steering also. anybody know of the good ones? You just don't know whats going on with these things when they're stock unless you really really really pay attention. I hate that. You just can't feel anything. its like an old arcade machine or something.

alright, now to finish my homework. :lol: :rofl:  ;D     right..... anybody whose been through college, you know what I'm saying...     :sleeping:
oh....... too many cars. not enuff money... not enough time....

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Re: Anyone other than XV?
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2008 - 07:36:16 AM »

The biggest thing about brakes is that they work off of a leverage principle. So the larger the rotor, the more leverage it has, the greater the stopping power. The easiest change you can make is to the factory 11.75 rotor. Bolt on deal, easy to do. If your running 15" wheels, you can go as large as a 12.12 rotor, but this is a custom set up like what Nascar uses and will require you to fab up spindles or change control arms to get them to go together. Once you get into 16, 17, or 18 inch wheels, then you can step up to 13 or 14 inch rotors. Even more leverage, hence greater stopping power.

Lightweight calipers will reduce unsprung weight, which is a very good thing. The Wilwood set up is quite a few pounds lighter than the stock iron calipers. The multiple pistons also provide additional "feel" when your hauling down from high speeds compared to a stocker, and the greater selection of pad compounds can allow you to tailer the level of heat the brakes will tolerate before fading.

Yes, the biggest complaint with stock steering is the over assist. The simplest change to fixing this is to use a Firm Feel stage 1,2,or 3 box or Steer and Gear police style unit. All offer new car performance with reduced over assist to provide a more late model feel than original boxes.

While were at it, the cheapest upgrade you can consider without changing anything at all is an alignment. Most shops will dig way back in their closets, find an old service manual, and apply an OEM, stock style alignment specs to your car for back when bias ply tires were all they had. Changing this will change the driving disposition of your car tremendously. Original specs called for negative caster and zero to positive camber. Changing these to 2-6 degrees of positive caster (most stock arms will only allow 3 to 4, but get as much as you can),  1/2 to 1 1/2 degrees negative camber, and 1/16 toe in will significantly change the way your car behaves compared to stock specs.