Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2008 - 09:38:25 PM »
All I can say it this is going to spark alot of people to buy little cars that get 35-40 MPG and hopefully that will make the demand go down and make the prices go down.


I agree, like dial-up. People are all going broadband.
Those still on dial-up are actually becoming faster due to less traffic.

As for ganging up, I just think it can't be done, everything, everywhere needs fuel. It's like lets go against Hospitals and all stop breathing lol, well, you get my point. The world most continue to tick forward and oil/gas is essential.
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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2008 - 10:38:20 PM »
Speculation is based on supply and demand. 

There is more than one type of supply and demand. Speculation is based on PERCEIVED supply and demand, not real supply and demand. A tanker gets attacked and oil prices go up. Did the attack on the tanker cause a shortage? No. It caused the perception that the oil supply might be in danger and possibly may become more scarce. This causes a panic situation which the speculators feed on, which is a perceived shortage, but not a real one. It's false demand.


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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2008 - 10:54:33 PM »
F%^& the oil companys... striaght up price gouging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008 - 12:24:11 AM »
F%^& the oil companys... striaght up price gouging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear stories about customer going into gas stations and ripping the clerks a new one for how high they have raised the pump prices.  Knee jerk ripping on the oil companies isn't much more intelligent than those gas station customers. :2cents:
The oil companies don't set the price of oil.  They sell their oil at market prices, whatever that price happens to be at any given time.  Back in the "good old days" in the 90's you may remember there was a time when oil was $12 a barrel and you could fill up your car with gas under a buck a gallon.  The oil companies were swimming in red ink then. I don't recall hearing anyone crying for them or holding fundraisers when they weren't making money at those prices.  If they set the prices like so many so ignorantly think, believe me they wouldn't have been selling oil at a price that caused them to lose money back then.
In a sense, oil prices aren't much different than housing values or car values.  If the market value of your house is $300,000, that's what you are going to try to get for it if you want to sell it.  It's not because you are greedy, it's because that is what the price is.  If you try to get $350K, you are greedy, if you list it for $250K, you are a sucker because someone else will just scoop it up and resell it for $300K.
Why would an oil company sell its oil for $70 a barrel when the market price is currently $119?  Investors and more and more these days, speculators, are buying contracts for oil at $119, so that is what the price is.
Unfortunately markets in recent times have become driven more and more by people interested in making a quick killing.  Speculative bubbles.  Buy because everyone else is buying and the price is skyrocketing, not because the underlying factors make something a good investment prospect.
Remember the dot com bubble in the late 90s?  The housing bubble that just ended?  Even muscle cars!   Today the bubble is commodities.  Energy, metals, food.  It's crazy.  Look at how high food prices are going up right now.  News flash, it ain't Kraft and Con Agra engaged in price gouging! They are getting hurt by the commodity prices too, and blaming them when they raise their prices is nothing short of stupid.
Believe it or not, even some of the refiners like Valero are getting nailed right now, the spread between the price they have to pay for oil and what they can sell the gasoline they refine is not high enough to make a decent profit!
If the government is going to do anything potentially useful here (but when has the government ever done anything useful??), they would be searching for ways to discourage speculation and steer investors more toward making long term investments. :2cents:
Don't hold your breath though.
If it makes anyone feel better, speculative bubbles always end, usually with a big bang!  When the bandwagon everyone has been jumping on hits a pothole, everyone jumps off and scampers like the filthy c ockroaches that they are! Someday this will happen with the commodity bubble. It's not a matter of will it, its a matter of when will it.
In the meantime, this situation sucks and this article makes it sound like it will suck alot worse before it gets better:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/JubaksJournal/WhyOilCouldHit180DollarsABarrel.aspx
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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008 - 02:25:13 AM »
When I began driving in 1969 gas cost around 21¢ per gallon.  When gas hit $1 per gallon I nearly had a stroke.  Now its headed to $4 per gallon and that will seem cheap in a year from now.  All I can do is shake my head and wonder why our country's leaders have had their heads up their a$$es all these years. 

Chocolate is going up in price because corn syrup is costing more to sweeten the chocolate.  Cereal, candy, pespsi, coke, basically everything that is "processed food" is going to take a hit in price.  Someone said in an earlier post about corn costing a $1 per ear....I beleive that for real!  Corn chips, corn oil, corn syrup, corn flakes, corn bread, corn meal, pop corn.  :popcorn:

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008 - 02:40:03 AM »


I'd like to add, you guys should try buying gas down here, THAT is something to cry about.
Almost if not twice the price you guys pay, you guys have nothing to whinge about lol :lol2:
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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008 - 02:55:57 AM »
I heard that in Germany it is about $8.00 a gallon.
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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008 - 10:22:40 AM »
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I hear stories about customer going into gas stations and ripping the clerks a new one for how high they have raised the pump prices.  Knee jerk ripping on the oil companies isn't much more intelligent than those gas station customers. 2 Cents
The oil companies don't set the price of oil.  They sell their oil at market prices, whatever that price happens to be at any given time.  Back in the "good old days" in the 90's you may remember there was a time when oil was $12 a barrel and you could fill up your car with gas under a buck a gallon.  The oil companies were swimming in red ink then. I don't recall hearing anyone crying for them or holding fundraisers when they weren't making money at those prices.  If they set the prices like so many so ignorantly think, believe me they wouldn't have been selling oil at a price that caused them to lose money back then.
In a sense, oil prices aren't much different than housing values or car values.  If the market value of your house is $300,000, that's what you are going to try to get for it if you want to sell it.  It's not because you are greedy, it's because that is what the price is.  If you try to get $350K, you are greedy, if you list it for $250K, you are a sucker because someone else will just scoop it up and resell it for $300K.

You hit the nail on the head.  Congratulations for getting it right.

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008 - 10:25:13 AM »
I heard that in Germany it is about $8.00 a gallon.

I'd still like to know why our gas has gone up by a factor of 10 in the last 30 years, but it only has gone up by a factor of 3 in the same time in Germany.

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008 - 11:06:29 AM »
Personally, I believe that our politicians are out of touch with reality. Why is it that they find drug use in baseball more of a priority to investigate than the cost of oil per barrel....gasoline prices are affecting our economy, drug use in baseball should be left up to the commissioners. I blame all of our politicians for side stepping this important issue!
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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2008 - 11:21:13 AM »
Personally, I believe that our politicians our out of touch with reality. Why is it that they find drug use in baseball more of a priority to investigate than the cost of oil per barrel....gasoline prices are affecting our economy, drug use in baseball should be left up to the commissioners. I blame all of our politicians for side stepping this important issue!

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2008 - 11:23:45 AM »
Here's a few things that are rattling around in my head, haven't checked them all out, but there they are.

1.  The oil companies make around 10% profit, no matter what.  Now why would they want to buy oil at $100 a barrel when they can pay $200 ?

2.  One reason the prices are so high in the US is because we buy for our oil reserve.  Why not stick a straw in Alaska, cap it off and say " there's the reserve" ?

3.  Oil speculaters are driving the price up.  It should be a law that the person / company that buys the oil MUST take posession, not through a third party.

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2008 - 11:26:39 AM »
As a former Alaska resident, I can tell you this. The oil from the fields of Alaska go overseas to Japan and that area....it used to anyways....
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« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2008 - 01:22:31 PM »
Speculation is based on supply and demand. 
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Normally yes. But right now supplies are at one of the all time highs, while demand is low with people scaling back consumption in many ways. :clueless:

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Re: Why Don't They Gang Up on the Oil Companies?
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2008 - 02:36:59 PM »

Normally yes. But right now supplies are at one of the all time highs, while demand is low with people scaling back consumption in many ways. :clueless:


Have a look at the post by jeryst a few posts back - He hit the nail on the head.  It is perceived supply and demand.

That Japanese oil tanker that was attacked?  It only spilled a few hundred gallons of gas - Less than the US daily consumption by lawyers in their Hummers.   ;) 
But it was a good excuse to speculate that supply would be affected.  So...up goes the price.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9xipFxRJoNsyAuQM9VM9A5Ha0SwD9066JTG0

And a lot of people like to say that we need more refineries.  But you will find that refineries are cutting back production capacity, due to the high cost of crude:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/gasoline-refiners-slow-output-rate/story.aspx?guid=%7B6634214A-A8E7-423F-9A0A-C5119FC8661C%7D

What?  Refineries cutting back?  Yep, you guessed it - Speculation that the supply will be reduced.  So...up goes the price.

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